China Plans to Destroy the US???

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posted on Nov, 28 2002 @ 08:30 PM
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Just another thing, The RAAF(Royal Australian Air Force) has joined the JSF program, is in the process of purchasing Aussie Tiger Attack Helicopters(Appache), and are planning to update their Air Tanker fleet of Antiquated 707, possible replacements are 747-200/300. We still fly Ex-US F-111 and F-18 E/F Hornets.
We could probably defend our selves , though only through our highly experienced Pilots and Army Personel.




posted on Nov, 28 2002 @ 09:48 PM
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We still use the F-111 because there is simply no aircraft in production which could take it's place. It is the only deep atttack weapon we possess.

I personally think Australia should invest heavily in unmanned drones.



posted on Nov, 29 2002 @ 01:09 AM
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Don't ask me where I recived this information please.
These are some of the projects that the Australian Government are planning for future defence of Australia and its borders.


1. As you might already know, JSF(Joint Strike Fighter) - 75 Units.

2. Attack Helicopters - 21Approx.

3. Air Refeuling Tankers - 12-16 Large, wide body Tankers(24-32 Medium Tankers)



JSF- Joint Strike Fighter

In November 1996 Lockheed Martin and Boeing won two consept demonstration contracts worth about $660 million issued by the U.S. State of Defence. The contract required that the competing contractors build aircraft that will demonstrate three specific requirments.
1. Low- Speed handling qualities and Carrier Approach Capability.
2. Short Take Off.
3. Vertical landing(STOVL)

X-32 Boeing
X-35 Lockheed Martin

Tech Points

Contract won by Lockheed Martin.
F-35A, F-35B, F-35C will be constructed for U.S. Air Force, Marines, Navy respectfully.
70-90% of Parts are Shared between all variants.
There is a more advanced Fighter in the American arsinal, F-22 Raptor. Though at a cost, "Fly-Away" U.S. $99.7 million each, they were too expensive. Basic cost for a F-35 Approx. $40 million.

Attack Helicopters

The 'Aussie Tiger' will be another area were the Australian Defence Force will look to invest money. The 'ADF Air 87 program', which seeks between 20-30 reconnaissance/armed rotorcraft will be the next step in arming itself with the latest Technology.
This is a short list that the ADF has in mind.

1. Agusta A-129 Scorpion.
2. Boeing Ah-64D Apache.
3. Bell AH-1Z Viper.

Tech Points

Apache won contract to supply between 20 and 30 Attack Helicopters.
It was least expensive of all three to maintain.
At a total cost of Approx. $1.5 Billion including support for 20-30 examples.

Air Refeuling Tankers

Another piece of the agenda is Air Refeuling Tankers. The ADF is Looking to replace the aging fleet of 707-338C Air Refeuling Tankers. The ADF has two options, to opt for the Large Body Tankers, Which would likely be the 747. Or whether to go for the Medium Body Tankers, which could be either the 767 or Airbus 310/330.

This is what the ADF has in mind for the 747 variant:

1. 747-100/200. Built from 1970 onward, is the oldest model in the 747 line up. These models are not suitible for consideration, due to the fact that Airframe Fatuge and Corrosion are big drawbacks. Though the last of the 747-200 were last built in the 1990s and may be acceptable.
Price 747-100/200 $4.6- $7.7 million.
747-200(later models) $13.8- $26.2 million.
2. 747-300. There are alot of 747-200B/C and 747-300B/CF aircraft on the world market and a good proportion of these are Combis, which are already fitted with a SCD cargo door, there for lower cost to retrofit.

Price 747-300 $39.4- $50.8 million + Retrofit.
3. 747-400. Built from 1990 onward is available in both Combi and Freighter versions, it offers the best load carrying performance of any 747, though the MTOW imposes the need for better runways, and due to its large wingspan ground handling can be an issue on some sites.

Price 747-400 $92.5- $158.5 million.
4. 747SP. Built from 1976-1980, this aircraft was spacifically designed for long distance, low load factor. Only 45 examples were built.
When the 747-400 was released, the demand for the 747SP fell strongly. By 1999 only 7 747SPs were in storage and 4 dismatled for parts.

Price 747SP $5.3- $7.7 million.

This tells me, Australia was leaked information from the U.S.D.F., that tells us about surtain threats in the Asia-Pacific Area in the not to distant future.



posted on Nov, 29 2002 @ 01:37 AM
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'This tells me, Australia was leaked information from the U.S.D.F., that tells us about surtain threats in the Asia-Pacific Area in the not to distant future.'

Don't underestimate australian intelligence, we often feed the US intelligence on South Asia as our HUMINT sources are better.
We also have detailed technical summaries of the capabilities of our neighbours.



posted on Nov, 29 2002 @ 01:46 AM
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You are right we have listening stations here in Aus, and good ones too.



posted on Nov, 29 2002 @ 02:04 AM
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Check out the Aussie radar barba.

Jinadlee Radar



posted on Dec, 1 2002 @ 11:23 AM
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China would be cutting their own financial throat if they were to go after the US militarily. We buy more Chinese made products than any other nation on earth (from the WSJ international business section).

If they were to take a military stand against the US we would stop buying their products, stop all tech transfers, shut down all vendor/subcontractor connections and close the door to raw materials being sent into China from the US and blockade all other nations from doing the same.

Within a year they'd be completely stagnant and without the materials, technology or money to wage war against anybody, let alone the all powerful US military.

Attacking the US would be political suicide, removing any barriers we've had keeping us from removing the last big commie power on earth.




posted on Dec, 1 2002 @ 06:52 PM
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I agree, China have absolutly no reason to attack its neighbours or in that fact the US. Not anymore anyway. Though I did hear word on an Oil Pipeline to connect China with Oil fields in Southern Russia. Can someone elabourate??



posted on Dec, 1 2002 @ 08:42 PM
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Sino-Russian oil plans going ahead -in fact, Putin in Beijing to-day to discuss the issue (inter alia).
AS for Oz defence: the enemy to watch is still Indonesia.



posted on Dec, 1 2002 @ 08:48 PM
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true say since the usa is a big partner it wud hurt but with the war on terror and a war in iraq soon the military is stretched out and diverting forces to a chinese theater wud take time precisious time



posted on Dec, 1 2002 @ 08:49 PM
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Sino-Russian oil plans going ahead -in fact, Putin in Beijing to-day to discuss the issue (inter alia).
AS for Oz defence: the enemy to watch is still Indonesia.



posted on Dec, 2 2002 @ 07:18 PM
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indonesia how do u figure that



posted on Dec, 2 2002 @ 08:10 PM
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Well Indonesia do use Migs and Su's don't they? Can someone find out exactley what Aircraft Indonesia use. I'm pretty sure it would be in the vicinity of Su-27. Indonesia also have the Big Russian Bombers Su-?(42) if I'm not mistaken. Equivalent to the US B-52 Stratojet.



posted on Dec, 4 2002 @ 02:58 AM
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An interesting article on Chinese capabilities, in a very reputable local newspaper, here:
atimes.com...



posted on Dec, 4 2002 @ 03:00 AM
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...that it raises the possiblity that China may not be the only non-Arab, non-Axis-of-Evil, nation America needs to keep an eye on.



posted on Dec, 4 2002 @ 08:54 AM
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Estragon. How do the local people where u are percieve the US ?



posted on Dec, 4 2002 @ 09:02 AM
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We need to get that stem cell stuff going, cure Reagan of Alzheimers, then bring him back to defeat the Evil Chinese Empire. Problem solved.



posted on Dec, 4 2002 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Bob88
We need to get that stem cell stuff going, cure Reagan of Alzheimers, then bring him back to defeat the Evil Chinese Empire. Problem solved.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh..........If it was possible Bob88, if it was possible.......



posted on Dec, 4 2002 @ 10:40 AM
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Indonesians: nothing to do with their hardware (although Australia's military capability has been progressively weakened by successive governments: this is changing somewhat, now) - it's the fact that there are 200,000,000 of them and they are very hungry, very desperate people: they're a bit too scared now (or PNG would be a war zone); but they are as much a threat as Central and South America are to the US: to be massively outnumbered by much poorer and culturally alien neighbours is not a great comfort.

As for local people here, it's a massive generalisation but America is treated as just another country in the news: it's largely viewed as a trading partner. Occasionally they get irate over Taiwan.
Very old people might remember Maoist rants but for young people, America - followed by England and Canada - represent some sort of materialist paradise. It's now almost impossible for Chinese students to get into the US directly, so they try for Canada; but the US would be the most popular destination.
Incidentally, the Chinese for America is Meiguo (May-gwoh) and this comes across as "beautiful Land" (which is rather sweet)



posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 11:05 PM
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China doesn't want war with the USA, they just want us out of Asia. China wants to conquer Taiwan without the USA trying to stop them. China also wants the USA military to leave S. Korea and Japan that way China can bully their neighbors with their military without the USA interfering.

Of course, the USA will not abandon its allies. We will interfere in China's plan to invade Taiwan.

World War III
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China will launch a massive conventional missile attack on Taiwan followed by a massive air and naval attack. Once China destroys Taiwan's navy and airforce China will begin their invasion. China's loyalists and special forces smuggled into Taiwan will cut off Taiwan's communication.

China will launch a Normandy style invasion of Taiwan. China will then launch a massive Airborne assault on Taiwan's rear.

USA will send a battlegroup to help defend Taiwan from Japan. China's 3 naval fleets will sink and destroy several USA ships maybe a carrier causing the USA to retreat. Note: China has 3 massive fleets, we only have 1 battlegroup near Taiwan.

Taiwan will then surrender to China. China then sues for peace with the USA. USA demands China leave Taiwan or they will be no peace. China says F U to the USA. USA orders all USA battlegroups to the Pacific.

China realizes there will be no peace. China orders North Korea to attack South Korea. China launches missiles attack on the USA airbase in Okinawa, Japan. China aids N. Korea in attacking USA military in S. Korea. Japan enters the war because of China attacking Okinawa.

China invades Philippines then invades Vietnam. Philippines and Vietnam forces are destroyed, both countries surrender to China. China uses the airfields in both countries for their fighter planes. China now can destroy any ships or fighters that enter the South China Sea. Also, from the Philippines they can destroy any ship or fighter coming towards Taiwan from the Philippines Sea.

China will use Taiwan airfields to attack Japan. China will then invade Okinawa and use the airfield there to launch attack on Japan, USA, and S. Korean forces.
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China at the earliest will start this war in the year 2014. By then china's military modernization will be almost complete. China by then will have large numbers of J-10, su-27(J-11), and su-30 fighters. China should have their new J fighter similar to the USA's Raptor in production by 2014. China will have a large numbers of Kilo and Nuclear attack subs. China's surface fleet will have several new warships.
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China's invasion of Taiwan is a certainty, the only question is when.





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