America: the most hated country in the world?.

If America is hated so much why in the hell is everyone trying to come here. Mexicans for one........Other foreigners trying to get citizen ship etc

The rest of the world depends on the United States so get over your hate and move on!

Um, just as many people try to get into the states as most other commonwealth countries... it doesn't mean your country is great at all, they probably already have friends or family there. That, or they were offered a job and decided to take that one, instead of say, an offer that was in england, canada, etc.

You seem to think that people immigrate because the country is better?
We have to deal with alot of Americans immigrating into Canada... so, how does your logic work there? I'm quite certain your nationalism wouldnt allow you to admit that Canada is better than the US... so how do you explain that one?

Quite simply put, people immigrate everywhere. It has little bearing on how good your country is. Typically it's just because people want to experience something different for a change, or they got a job offer in the country in question.

As for the Mexicans, it wouldnt matter who was on their border, they would cross it anyways. If it were Canada down there, then we would have to deal with them just as much. Alot of mexicans go all the way to Canada just to avoid the US, because our social system assists in getting them on their feet and on their way to being a productive member of our economy.
The US just raises the cost of entry.

And as for the person saying that I stated that the world is better off without the United States... if I did post that, it would have been a long time ago, and it was probably in the context of regarding to the american military.

And what is this obsession with immediately attacking anyone who has anything negative to point out about the US anyhow? When someone points out a flaw of Canada's, I just chuckle and agree.
What is with this angry ignorance I've been seeing lately?


And don't take my dissapointment of the US personally people, you just happened to be born there. I have beef with alot of the commonwealths tactics when it comes to foreign politics. The difference is the Americans are the only ones who refuse to believe they have a flaw, so debates on the matter become heated very quickly.

I swear it's like you people troll the forums looking for anything that remotely resembles a negative comment about America, and then pounce on it. I read negative comments on Canada all the time. If they are grossly disproportionate, then I correct them... if it's true, then I accept it.

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Originally posted by johnsky
You seem to think that people immigrate because the country is better?
We have to deal with alot of Americans immigrating into Canada... so, how does your logic work there? I'm quite certain your nationalism wouldnt allow you to admit that Canada is better than the US... so how do you explain that one?
[edit on 1-3-2007 by johnsky]

I assume this was directed at me. I'm not saying the US is "better." You probably have to deal with legal and illegal American immigrants just as we have to deal with legal and illegal Canadian immigrants. But Canada is not getting the "hate" that the US does. At least from my experience. Most of the people propogating the "hate" don't know what they're talking about either way anyway. But when you have more people wanting to get into a country than actually leaving it, come on and be serious.

It's only a fact that the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" - happy and contented people don't feel the need to complain, and you hardly ever hear about good events, and people living well as you hear about bad events and people in hardship. A simple example is the 2004 US presidential elections - many people were shocked at the outcome because so many people were complaining about Bush. It just so happened a silent happy or contented majority existed and voted that way.

Like I noted before, and other members have concurred, the US is probably the most hated country... But so would any country at the top of the totem pole. Sure, there are changes we'd all like to make, but the US remains a very good place to live and grow up. I don't know which country you'd like to be in our shoes, but I'm sure it would be interesting to hear proposals!

edit: poll to pole = I was not trying to be funny.

[edit on 1-3-2007 by AlphaHumana]

Okay, anger aside...

It is well known that it is US military strategy that gets the finger pointed at the most. Having an excessively large military and little restraint on it's use doesn't help with the world's view of America.

Most of the citizens of the rest of the commonwealth would rather never enter another war again. With their ally the states continuously disturbing other countries, their hopes of living without a war get shattered, and they get dragged into yet another unwanted conflict.

This is essentially where most of the hatred comes from.
I fear for the US that most of the world will start telling the US that it doesn't matter what they get themselves into, we're not coming with you. The public voice in the commonwealth is growing stronger on the subject, and politicians are starting to listen.

It won't be long before the US has no backing of any country any longer... and that's when America's enemies will likely chose to strike.

You can't really blame the people of the commonwealth for it. They don't want the enemies that the US acquires, so they distance themselves from any relation to the US military. The US government seems to feel confident that they can afford to make so many enemies, it won't be long before we find out whether they can in fact hold all of them down by themselves.

I feel their engagement in the Middle East has opened up a Pandora's box. Much of the world has chosen to stay clear of that theater for that reason, they didn't want to go in there, but the US went anyways.

Like I said, it's not the people of the US we hate... I may get annoyed by some of your southern states, but in general, I don't hate your people.
And I don't know where the idea of jealousy comes from, I actually never want to live in the states, I feel I have more rights and freedoms up here than I would down there. Plus I feel safer, physically, and financially up here.

If you wanted to talk about the best country in the world? I'd have to say the Swiss have it... hands down. If I had to chose somewhere else to live, I'd try there first, but I'm not familiar with the language, nor customs. So I'll stay here for a little longer.

I think the powers that be are setting up America to be the Fall guy to bring in world gov't and to "show" the rest of the world what happens when people are given freedom. You do realize that the people have absolutely no say in the E.U. When they complain to their local officials nothing can be changed. This is how the NAU will be run as well.
The majority of common people around the world realize that the American people are good and it's Gov't is out of control and not following the wishes of it's citizens.

Originally posted by johnsky
Okay, anger aside...

It is well known that it is US military strategy that gets the finger pointed at the most. Having an excessively large military and little restraint on it's use doesn't help with the world's view of America.

little restraint? ok, so I guess you are basing this on the fact that we invaded afgthanistan and Iraq? well my friend, ever hear of a little thing called 9/11?

Most of the citizens of the rest of the commonwealth would rather never enter another war again.

let me know how that turns out for you.

I feel their engagement in the Middle East has opened up a Pandora's box. Much of the world has chosen to stay clear of that theater for that reason, they didn't want to go in there, but the US went anyways.

Once again, we opened nothing. The war was started by them on 9/11. You dont remember bush saying that it was an act of war?

we responded as such.


Europe is doomed to be consumed anyway and hopefully will look and see what happened to them and wise up. I dont expect it to be very long before you start to see "islamic republics" in europe.

This is a major war and a very insidous one. Our enemies are not coming head to head with us. They are infiltrating, overwhelming, and conquering.

Ok, I could see eye to eye with your side of the argument, if it were actually a middle-eastern country that had attacked you on 9/11... however, the Al-Quaeda network operates in MANY more theatres than just the Middle East... it could be said that they are well established in about 1/4 of the world.

Iraq didn't attack you, nor did they have anything to do with that. The US attacked Iraq without reason, and they knew they had no evidence of any threatening activities coming from Iraq's theatre.

Afghanistan I understood. They didn't attack the Afghanistan government, just the Taliban strongholds within the country.
But when it came to Iraq, they went straight after the government. Nothing to do with terrorism at all.
Now they seemingly want to engage Iran. Iran wants to HELP with the search and destruction of terror networks. But the US government repeatedly ignores their requests to assist.

It is becoming clear that the US isn't after terrorists, so much as they are after gaining control of the middle eastern region. Which is something I disagree with 100%. If the US government really wants to get rid of the terrorists in the region for good, they should adopt the help of the established governing bodies in that region. They are offering their assistance, but their offers are falling on deaf ears.

No government wants terrorists operating in their borders. A terror network within your borders means there is a potential they will start making violent demands of your country, not just their original targets.

Now I know the latest excuse for Iraq is "Saddam is a madman"... well considering for 10 years before invasion the country was at peace, and considering the religious factions within the country who would love to anhialate each other, ousting that government was a bad idea. It was in control, it was keeping everything relatively peaceful. Now, like I said, the pandora's box has been opened. Government control was removed, and those religious factions can now openly engage each other without fear of persecution.

Originally posted by johnsky
You seem to think that people immigrate because the country is better?
We have to deal with alot of Americans immigrating into Canada... so, how does your logic work there? I'm quite certain your nationalism wouldnt allow you to admit that Canada is better than the US... so how do you explain that one?

I would say there are two primary reasons:
1. They want to take advantage of your socialized medicine
2. They are running from obligations in the US.

Quite simply put, people immigrate everywhere. It has little bearing on how good your country is. Typically it's just because people want to experience something different for a change, or they got a job offer in the country in question.

Very few people have the luxury of being able to emigrate in order to experience a diiferent culture. Most do it out of necessity.

1. It's not as easy as crossing the border to get at our healthcare system.
2. You can't evade obligations you had in the US by coming to Canada, if you had a debt in the US, it comes with you... if you had a criminal record, chances are we wont let you in in the first place, and if the US comes knocking looking for you because of a crime you committed, we certainly aren't going to hide you.

Sorry, you'll have to guess again.
*Starts playing jeapordy theme song.

Well, maybe we just have a bunch of socialists looking for company...

Originally posted by johnsky
Okay, anger aside...

It is well known that it is US military strategy that gets the finger pointed at the most. Having an excessively large military and little restraint on it's use doesn't help with the world's view of America.

We use uncommon restraint. Factor out Iraq, and your argument falls apart.

Most of the citizens of the rest of the commonwealth would rather never enter another war again. With their ally the states continuously disturbing other countries, their hopes of living without a war get shattered, and they get dragged into yet another unwanted conflict.

What makes you think we relish war? Once again, factor out Iraq, and your argument falls apart.

This is essentially where most of the hatred comes from.
I fear for the US that most of the world will start telling the US that it doesn't matter what they get themselves into, we're not coming with you. The public voice in the commonwealth is growing stronger on the subject, and politicians are starting to listen.

Just remember that the US is protecting you, too. You rely on our technology and air and naval defenses. If not for the US, Canada would have most likely been attacked and/or invaded long ago.

It won't be long before the US has no backing of any country any longer... and that's when America's enemies will likely chose to strike.

Fair weather friends, summertime soldiers. We'll do fine without your help, thank you.

You can't really blame the people of the commonwealth for it. They don't want the enemies that the US acquires, so they distance themselves from any relation to the US military. The US government seems to feel confident that they can afford to make so many enemies, it won't be long before we find out whether they can in fact hold all of them down by themselves.

Easy to sit there in your comfy chair, railing on about the big bad evil US military, all the while forgetting that they are the main security for your country.

And I don't know where the idea of jealousy comes from, I actually never want to live in the states, I feel I have more rights and freedoms up here than I would down there. Plus I feel safer, physically, and financially up here.

I'm sure you do feel safer. You have to be on the playing field in order to score.

Well, that was a load of nationalistic ignorance.

Oh well, just one more person I can't take seriosuly, next?

Honestly man, what's with the "take iraq out of the picture" crap?
Other than Iraq, this current administration has only gone into Afghanistan, of which Canada and other commonwealth countries are trying to rebuild at the moment.
So yeah, I'll use Iraq as an example all I want.

I'm sorry if you've been deluded into thinking you're defending Canada... but, when has the US ever defended Canada?
The only people on our border is the US... we don't plan on attacking you, so I fail to see who could possibly launch an invasion on us.

[edit on 2-3-2007 by johnsky]

Originally posted by johnsky
Well, that was a load of nationalistic ignorance.

Oh well, just one more person I can't take seriosuly, next?

Nationalistic ignorance? Not my fault if you don't have any pride in your country.

And, don't take me seriously. Put me on ignore, see if I care.

Honestly man, what's with the "take iraq out of the picture" crap?
Other than Iraq, this current administration has only gone into Afghanistan, of which Canada and other commonwealth countries are trying to rebuild at the moment.
So yeah, I'll use Iraq as an example all I want.

It is in response to your opinion that the US military is hellbent on conquering the world. You shouldn't make such ignorant statements.

I'm sorry if you've been deluded into thinking you're defending Canada... but, when has the US ever defended Canada?
The only people on our border is the US... we don't plan on attacking you, so I fail to see who could possibly launch an invasion on us.

Of course we defend you if only because of our proximity to you. You obviously don't know too much about your own country.
www.forces.gc.ca...

The United States is Canada's most important ally and defence partner. Defence and security relations between the two countries are longstanding, well entrenched and highly successful. This relationship reflects a unique friendship, underpinned by a close economic interdependence that has evolved over the course of the last century. It affords Canada the security provided by close defence arrangements with the world's only remaining superpower.


www.forces.gc.ca...

Written by Canadians, btw.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Nationalistic ignorance? Not my fault if you don't have any pride in your country.

And, don't take me seriously. Put me on ignore, see if I care.

Pride in a national government? They come and go, there is no pride, only the process of improvement.

Don't take you seriously? Already accomplished.

Put you on ignore... no... I don't ignore anyone, I give everyone the chance to realize they were being ignorant.

All the best to you, I hope you eventually realise that pride in your country has nothing to do with the current people in power, or their decisions.
When you realise that, I'll start taking you seriously again.

See you then.

Originally posted by johnsky
You seem to think that people immigrate because the country is better?
We have to deal with alot of Americans immigrating into Canada
How many are leaving the US for Canada or anywhere else for that matter. People risk death, rape and other horrors to get here to become an American.

Quite simply put, people immigrate everywhere. It has little bearing on how good your country is.
The US has been the place people have wanted to come to long before it became a country. Why? because unlike most other countries America offers hope and oppertunity for them and thier families.

As for the Mexicans, it wouldnt matter who was on their border, they would cross it anyways. If it were Canada down there, then we would have to deal with them just as much.
Maybe but let's face it Canada get's to be Canada because of US busines's that employ you. You're a resource rich country but do you think you could support your population with out US companies.
Alot of mexicans go all the way to Canada just to avoid the US, because our social system assists in getting them on their feet and on their way to being a productive member of our economy.
I would bet that the number of Mexicans going all the way to Canada is a very small number. I love Canada and it's the only country outside the US that I have been to and would go to because it's so much like the US.

The US just raises the cost of entry.

And as for the person saying that I stated that the world is better off without the United States... if I did post that, it would have been a long time ago, and it was probably in the context of regarding to the american military.
What would the world be like today if not for the US military. How many more wars would have been fought in Europe in the last 60 + years if the US wasn't there to keep them from each others throats. Can you tell me when Europe went 60+ years without a major war. You would probably have to go back to the Roman Empire. Europeans are resonsible for the worst wars ever fought. They have made war in every country and on all the earths sea's.

And what is this obsession with immediately attacking anyone who has anything negative to point out about the US anyhow? When someone points out a flaw of Canada's, I just chuckle and agree.
What is with this angry ignorance I've been seeing lately?
Maybe it's that we are sick of getting kicked in the nuts nonstop by everyone. There is not one nation friend or foe that the US hasn't helped out. Still we are the cause of all the worlds problems. Never mind that alot of the wars are based off of hatered the predates Columbus sailing the ocean blue.[edit on 1-3-2007 by johnsky]

When was the last time you heard ANYTHING on the news about America that wasn't 'war-related'??.Every time Bush's name is mentioned its to do with war,terror or another of their play-toys.
What exactly has Bush done in his time in power to make the world a SAFER place??? name me ONE thing he's done? Heck he wasn't even interested in Katrina when it happened, was he?? can anyone name ONE thing the guy has done that is neutrally looked at as 'good'????
Bush and his pals are animals,whats more, they're turning the USA into a jungle of parranoid crazies.
The good news is he's gone in 2008, the bad news is that Clinton (his successor) is barmy too,and she'll have her strings pulled by the same hands as Bush.

Anyone ever notice how people from other countries know more about America then Americans themselves? It's because we are brainwashed by our media... If we defend our country we are nationalistic morons. If you aren't for socialized governmental bureaucratic health care... You don't care about the people of your country.

The Swiss have the best country... Are you honestly comparing switzerland to the U.S.A.? The U.S. could never run the country the way the Swiss do for obvious reasons!

Also, someone chimed in about what has the U.S. done for the world? Nothing, you are right... We have done absolutely nothing. Would it really matter if I told what we do for the rest of the world? Nope... Because I would just be a patriotic blind idiot.

Then there is the talk of isolation. Yes... I as an American wouldn't mind being isolated from the rest of the World. Why? Look at Britain for instance. Cameras everywhere watching you... Soon a required fingerprinted national I.D. No right to bear arms. Talk about just letting your government give it to you!

I think the reason so many Europeans dislike the U.S. os for that reason. They know what they did and they want the U.S. to do the same. Unfortunately, we Americans aren't selling out our freedoms just yet. At least not as fast anyways.

Now if you will excuse me I am going to step outside and shoot some squirrels!

I totally agree sailer.


They want us to follow their "Ideal" form of government because if theyre going down # creek with it they want us riding bitch right behind them....

You ppl are screwed on your own. leave us Americans out of it..


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Originally posted by LostSailor

Then there is the talk of isolation. Yes... I as an American wouldn't mind being isolated from the rest of the World. Why? Look at Britain for instance. Cameras everywhere watching you... Soon a required fingerprinted national I.D. No right to bear arms. Talk about just letting your government give it to you!

I think the reason so many Europeans dislike the U.S. os for that reason. They know what they did and they want the U.S. to do the same. Unfortunately, we Americans aren't selling out our freedoms just yet. At least not as fast anyways.

I think your being unfair the British never had any rights to begin with apart from the common law, were one of the most secretive and controlled country's on the planet. We've had four uprising's and civil wars which came to nothing all before the onset of the American revolution.

You are fortunate in being born in an apparently free country. As for Europeans disliking the U.S. as a whole we don't I think it's just frustration that you fall at the last hurdle, there are many great things to admire about America it's technology, the constitution, it's people and it's attitudes, the writers and scholars your artistic output is phenomenol I could go on.

However all the goodwill you create is destroyed in an instant by your crazy mentality in dealing with the rest of the world. Your education and media let you down badly, if you knew the world better nothing could stop you from being a force for good instead your still at kindergarden for diplomacy.

What did the Europeans do? I'm not sure I understand what we have supposed to have done please explain.

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