Language found in Junk DNA

article taken from abc.com , just wondering what people think about this

You’ve probably heard of a molecule called DNA, otherwise known as "The Blueprint Of Life".

Molecular biologists have been examining and mapping the DNA for a few decades now. But as they’ve looked more closely at the DNA, they’ve been getting increasingly bothered by one inconvenient little fact - the fact that 97% of the DNA is junk, and it has no known use or function!

But, an usual collaboration between molecular biologists, cryptoanalysists (people who break secret codes), linguists (people who study languages) and physicists, has found strange hints of a hidden language in this so- called "junk DNA".

Only about 3% of the DNA actually codes for amino acids, which in turn make proteins, and eventually, little babies. The remaining 97% of the DNA is, according to conventional wisdom, not gems, but junk.

www.abc.net.au...


[edit on 31-1-2007 by asala]

Incredible.

Any word if this was also tested with RNA in plants too?

Interesting article...thanks for posting it.

en.wikipedia.org...

Scientists find Extraterrestrial genes in Human DNA

From August 2004:

Forget waiting for ET to call -- the most likely place to find an alien message is in our DNA, according to an expert in Australia. Professor Paul Davies, from the Australian Centre for Astrobiology at Macquarie University in Sydney, believes a cosmic greeting card could have been left in every human cell. The coded message would only be discovered once the human race had the technology to read and understand it.

He went on to say:

Scientists have recently discovered large sequences of "junk" DNA that contain no genes and appears to be very stable." If ET has put a message into terrestrial organisms, this is surely where to look," said Davies.

www.mg.co.za.../breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news&articleid=134442

"Junk DNA" is actually the "software" that allowed complex organisms to evolve, according to an Australian molecular biologist.

Professor John Mattick of Queensland University's Institute of Molecular Bioscience argues that scientists have been too focused on the protein-production role of DNA and ignored its role in helping to put all the proteins together at the right time and place. (the operating system, my words).

Introns are not found in bacteria and in the Bible it says God brought forth life from the waters and Created various species. These introns should tell us who inserted the code and much more.

My money's on it being a movie script.

In all seriousness, depending on the implications, we may never hear about this again. Let's just say that it's a "message" from God, ETs, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Living Universe, or whoever. If the public knew about such a message the results would be more disasterous than UFO disclosure.

Haha imagine if someone 'decoded' this message, I'd love to know what it says . Prolly some source code for our existence? (or conciousness). Who knows?!

Peace,
- Naz

Nah, it's there solely to tell me where that damn missing beer can went in my fridge.

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
My money's on it being a movie script.

UFO disclosure.

Has anyone seen the tv show Heroe's? It basicly just started here tonight in Australia and it kinda delves into the idea of this topic, not necessarily decoding the junk DNA but what use's it may or may not have. (fictionly speaking)

Heroes is an American drama television series, created by Tim Kring, which premiered on NBC on September 25, 2006. The series tells the story of several people who "thought they were like everyone else... until they woke with incredible abilities" such as telepathy, time travel and flight. These people soon realize they have a role in preventing a catastrophe and saving mankind.

en.wikipedia.org...(TV_series)

Just wondering if anyone has seen this, has this been played in the states already? im watching it now, it seems alright

Thanks for the post, very good read.
Wish DNA wasnt so big, maybe the scientist could pull some sort of
seti type processing deal with the general public. Prob wont happen,
to much money in patents for the right genes.

For anyone interested in digging deeper:

www.panspermia.org...

"Conserved Non-Genic Sequences" -- deeply fascinating stuff. Pretty much all the material over at www.panspermia.org... is quality brainfood.

Don't start looking for personal messages in there just because of Zipf correlations.

This has been around at least since 94 when Mantegna wrote about Zipf ranking in introns. Shepherd certainly wasn't the first.

Here's the rub: Zipf correlations indicate the detection of grammars. That's grammar in the larger sense, what you learned about English in the fifth grade is a subset of the concept. More like generative or formal grammars, the sort you describe with Backus-Naur diagrams or Chomsky hierarchies.

In other words, Zipf looks at correlations in the data and tells you if there are data following rules of organization. It being DNA, you'd sort of expect there would be. If you analyze the coding parts of the DNA, it also will return a straight line Zipf, because the codons follow rules of organization.

Since a lot of introns are old retroviral remains and edited-out bits of DNA that were selected against, you'd expect the 'junk DNA' to still follow most of the rules it originally had.

What if it is that the ununsed DNA is our un-used potential as humans?

As we evolve, more of that "junk" turns to good DNA.

Originally posted by plopunisher
What if it is that the ununsed DNA is our un-used potential as humans?

As we evolve, more of that "junk" turns to good DNA.

It's a nice sci-fi'ish idea, but a lot of it is endless repetition of one codon like "stop stop stop stop stop stop stop", stretches that look similar to other coding DNA, only it's got point mutations, or it's obvious retroviruses with the promotor regions damaged so that they can't replicate. Sort of like being infected with HIV, then the HIV regions that were inserted into your DNA were damaged so they couldn't work anymore.

Some of it looks like it might be used for "jumping genes" to swap in and out of currently active genes, you'd want that part, and some people think that some percentage of it is structural coding. Given that some of it is strongly conserved I'd have to bet that it's useful in some way.

But having "unused DNA that turns into good DNA as we evolve" doesn't even make sense, really. Evolution is the process of making good DNA. If it's there to begin with, then we would have had to have devolved at some point, conserved the DNA for some reason, and then reincorporated it. Which doesn't make sense, except maybe to Steven Spielberg.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam

Originally posted by plopunisher
What if it is that the ununsed DNA is our un-used potential as humans?

As we evolve, more of that "junk" turns to good DNA.

It's a nice sci-fi'ish idea, but a lot of it is endless repetition of one codon like "stop stop stop stop stop stop stop", stretches that look similar to other coding DNA, only it's got point mutations, or it's obvious retroviruses with the promotor regions damaged so that they can't replicate. Sort of like being infected with HIV, then the HIV regions that were inserted into your DNA were damaged so they couldn't work anymore.

Some of it looks like it might be used for "jumping genes" to swap in and out of currently active genes, you'd want that part, and some people think that some percentage of it is structural coding. Given that some of it is strongly conserved I'd have to bet that it's useful in some way.

But having "unused DNA that turns into good DNA as we evolve" doesn't even make sense, really. Evolution is the process of making good DNA. If it's there to begin with, then we would have had to have devolved at some point, conserved the DNA for some reason, and then reincorporated it. Which doesn't make sense, except maybe to Steven Spielberg.

I would not surprise me that eventually they will try the bible code method in DNA someway or another....

My opinion, not that it really matters, is that all these interesting scientific breakthroughs are dumbed down in order to take attention off of the truth. Maybe Degaussing or such...

So how about that Number 23??

Heck, man, maybe it's a recipe for human stew or something... well, we wont really find out till we find out, will we?

If the linguists figure it out, that would be good. I wonder if memory is stored on DNA in some aspect...

It is true that the junk DNA do not code for any proteins and don't contain any genes, but I think that some people found that some part of the non-coding DNA, was serving in the prossess of folding of the chromatine around the histones. So, that the chromosomes can be pack in a really tight way.

Hmm. Cannot say for certain whether the junk DNA has an encoded message from a supreme entity or not. Though perhaps it is safe to say it is a lost message than a known one. Wheras scientists who study DNA are programmed to decode it for a malevolent extraterrestrial race, determined to use it for there own good.

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