It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by jetsetter
Besides that ship is all ready out of date. Look at that design. Can you imagine the radar signature.
Originally posted by bisonn
2 Kirovs can put an entire US CVBG on the bottom!
Replacement for MiG-29? The MiG I-2000, which is being devleoped in a modified version by iran.
MiG-35 was probably sold to the chinese so they can make their J-12.
Su-47 is being developed into the Su-pakfa, together with india.
Then theres MiG-29SMT, a versio with reduced RCS.
Originally posted by bisonn
2 Kirovs can put an entire US CVBG on the bottom!
What "could" or "would" do is immaterial in regards again to what you have mentioned. Why? Ever heard of the word: DECOMMISSIONED?
There were only 4 Kirov class BCGN's built:
Admiral Ushakov---ex-Kirov; was stricken in 1998, but political efforts were launched in the Duma to reinstate the ship as an active vessel. A public fundraising campaign was instituted to save the ship, but this has failed to produce the needed funds
Admiral Lasarev---ex-Frunze; decommissioned Jun 99. May be recommissioned for Pacific Fleet if funds can be found. Currently maintained in reserve in Strelok Bay. Suffered damage in a fire that broke out in Dec. 2002.
Admiral Nakhimov---ex-Kalinin. Undergoing refit. Due to lack of funding, currently maintained in Strelok Bay.
Pyotr Veliky---only Pyotr Veliky is in active service, based in Severomorsk.
Answer to countering the only single 'Kirov' class the Russians have: Arleigh Burke class!
Replacement for MiG-29? The MiG I-2000, which is being devleoped in a modified version by iran.
Mig I-2000 is having funding problems, by both the Iranians and Russian parts.
MiG-35 was probably sold to the chinese so they can make their J-12.
Wrong answer!
Su-47 is being developed into the Su-pakfa, together with india.
The Pak-fa is also experiencing finding problems from bith Indian and Russian counter-parts. The Indians are concentrating on the their LCA program, nonetheless.
Then theres MiG-29SMT, a versio with reduced RCS.
Reduced RCS? How so? In any case, it's RCS is nothing when compared to the F-22. And the 29SMT is being countered by the F-16 Block60's, F-15 AESA's, and obviously the F-22.
Originally posted by SevenZeroOne
Can anyone actually come close to taking this thread seriously when most of the parties invloved are so obviously biased one way or the other?
You've got a guy named "Russian" in the thread. Hmmmm....geee...I wonder if HE'S biased or not.
You've got the patriotic american guy....hmmm...I bet he's going to have an unbiased view.
This is all so obviously speculative and one-sided. No one can argue this either way until you see these in action, because WHO ARE YOU TO SAY WHETHER IT IS PROPOGANDA OR NOT? You don't KNOW if any of these weapons that "look really scary!" can actually do half of what they are touted as being capable of until they are put through real combat. A bunch of civlians sitting around arguing about which is cooler and standing up for their respective countries.
I'm sorry, don't mean to burst any bubbles, but reading this thread is like reading a Star Trek vs. Star Wars thread with "Obi-Wan" and "Cpt Kirk" as the main contributors.
Originally posted by Laxpla
www.naval-technology.com...
www.lowobservable.com...
Hi typhoon
Originally posted by SevenZeroOne
Can anyone actually come close to taking this thread seriously when most of the parties invloved are so obviously biased one way or the other?
You've got a guy named "Russian" in the thread. Hmmmm....geee...I wonder if HE'S biased or not.
You've got the patriotic american guy....hmmm...I bet he's going to have an unbiased view.
This is all so obviously speculative and one-sided. No one can argue this either way until you see these in action, because WHO ARE YOU TO SAY WHETHER IT IS PROPOGANDA OR NOT? You don't KNOW if any of these weapons that "look really scary!" can actually do half of what they are touted as being capable of until they are put through real combat. A bunch of civlians sitting around arguing about which is cooler and standing up for their respective countries.
I'm sorry, don't mean to burst any bubbles, but reading this thread is like reading a Star Trek vs. Star Wars thread with "Obi-Wan" and "Cpt Kirk" as the main contributors.
Originally posted by Russian
Originally posted by Laxpla
www.naval-technology.com...
www.lowobservable.com...
Hi typhoon
Both of these subs dont compete with the typhoon.
you are a plain moron
Originally posted by Seekerof
Originally posted by bisonn
2 Kirovs can put an entire US CVBG on the bottom!
What "could" or "would" do is immaterial in regards again to what you have mentioned. Why? Ever heard of the word: DECOMMISSIONED?
There were only 4 Kirov class BCGN's built:
Admiral Ushakov---ex-Kirov; was stricken in 1998, but political efforts were launched in the Duma to reinstate the ship as an active vessel. A public fundraising campaign was instituted to save the ship, but this has failed to produce the needed funds
Admiral Lasarev---ex-Frunze; decommissioned Jun 99. May be recommissioned for Pacific Fleet if funds can be found. Currently maintained in reserve in Strelok Bay. Suffered damage in a fire that broke out in Dec. 2002.
Admiral Nakhimov---ex-Kalinin. Undergoing refit. Due to lack of funding, currently maintained in Strelok Bay.
Pyotr Veliky---only Pyotr Veliky is in active service, based in Severomorsk.
Answer to countering the only single 'Kirov' class the Russians have: Arleigh Burke class!
Replacement for MiG-29? The MiG I-2000, which is being devleoped in a modified version by iran.
Mig I-2000 is having funding problems, by both the Iranians and Russian parts.
MiG-35 was probably sold to the chinese so they can make their J-12.
Wrong answer!
Su-47 is being developed into the Su-pakfa, together with india.
The Pak-fa is also experiencing finding problems from bith Indian and Russian counter-parts. The Indians are concentrating on the their LCA program, nonetheless.
Then theres MiG-29SMT, a versio with reduced RCS.
Reduced RCS? How so? In any case, it's RCS is nothing when compared to the F-22. And the 29SMT is being countered by the F-16 Block60's, F-15 AESA's, and obviously the F-22.
regards
seekerof
Originally posted by bisonn
THis thread is not for discussing funding problems or training, k? Its for discussing russian vs american TECH!
Originally posted by Cyrus
Originally posted by jetsetter
Besides that ship is all ready out of date. Look at that design. Can you imagine the radar signature.
earnt urself enough points then?? why not post up a link...*spammer*!!
my objection to that? you changed the viewing size of the first&second pages, ie: it's a pain in the ass to read.
russian...are u a ruski?? or do u feel it's ur purpose as anti-american to pose as the artificial enemy??
just some thoughts,
Cyrus