T-80U in Chechnya just happened to survive 18(!) RPG hits.

Oh yeah it has 1100mm of frontal armor vs abrams 800mm!

Originally posted by HerExcellency
If you consider that he who uses the most, generally makes the best, then here are the facts. (all financial figures are in dollars unless otherwise noted)

Gross Domestic Production (GDP)
USA-GDP $10.4 Trillion (2002 est.)
Rossiyskaya Federatsiya - $1.35 trillion (2002 est)
most of these money are used to build war products!

Electrical production
USA- 3.719 trillion kWh (2001)
Russia- 846.5 billion kWh (2001)
doesnt look like it
look at the east coast black out!

Electrical consumption
USA-3.479 trillion kWh (2001)
Russia-773.08 billion kWh (2001)
less people are in Russia

Exports
USA - $687 billion (2002)
Russia-104.6 billion (2002)
most of these are war products
Imports
USA - $1.165 trillion (2002)
Russia - $60.7 billion (2002)
who needs to import things when they could make them?!

Communications:
telephones (mainlines)
USA - 194 million (1997)
Russia - 30 million (1998)
less people and people are not to lazy to go across the street and talk to their neighbors instead of calling

cellular phones
USA - 69.209 million (1998)
Russia - 19 million (2003)
does every kid need a cellphone?!

ISP's
USA- 7000 (2002)
Russia - 300 (2002)
what ever that means!

Internet Users
USA - 165.75 million (2002)
Russia - 18 million (2002)
to much bull# in the newspaper so they just read the paper!

Now all this information is public knowledge and what we can glean from this is that the USA makes and spends more money than Russia. Under the theory that if you spend more money, you'll make better stuff. The US has the advantage.

Here's another way to look at it. When you consider the last several global or regional conflicts. The merchandise with Made in USA generally won. In the conflicts where Russian made mechandise was the victor it was generally against other Russian made stuff. I realize that is a broad stroke generalization, but a telling one nonetheless.

last point. Collisions. Americans are very fond of smashing up their stuff oftentimes just to see how it performs. In head to head collisions with former soviet submarines, not one US submarine had to be scrapped, or was unable to make it to home port under their own power. Not true in the case of Russian ordinance. Again, a broad statement, but your question was also intentionally broad.

hrxll

Originally posted by bisonn
T-80U in Chechnya just happened to survive 18(!) RPG hits.

Oh yeah it has 1100mm of frontal armor vs abrams 800mm!

Thanks for the info..

Btw..

Do you have any good links for NEW russian weapon/war sites..

Maybe some that would have videos..



Thanks..

www.rusarm.ru and www.army.lv but you probably saw them already

Have you guys ever seen Future Fighting Machines on TechTV? Abrams murdered t80 in comparison . Well, all i see right now, is angry people. I dont wana start, because I will have to prove my points again why USA > Russia and did OWN them in the cold war.

Why does it say laxpla posted on this thread and when i look i dont see any post from him?!

Originally posted by Russian
Why does it say laxpla posted on this thread and when i look i dont see any post from him?!

whos laxpla?

Originally posted by Russian

Gross Domestic Production (GDP)
USA-GDP $10.4 Trillion (2002 est.)
Rossiyskaya Federatsiya - $1.35 trillion (2002 est)
most of these money are used to build war products!

actually your quite right. In keeping with their former Soviet habits the Russian Federation spends 40% of their GDP on their military. May explain why their economy is in the loo. If you have enough cash you can buy a Kilo (the sub not the narcotic, opps you can get that too.) The US spends something to the neighborhood of 4-5% of their GDP on military spending.
Either way you paint it its bad for the Russian Federation.


Electrical production
USA- 3.719 trillion kWh (2001)
Russia- 846.5 billion kWh (2001)
doesnt look like it
look at the east coast black out!

You wanted facts. You contradict your own requests with banal comments like that. If you are the Master of All (or so you signature says) you're not a very disciplined one if you can't even obey yourself.

Electrical consumption
USA-3.479 trillion kWh (2001)
Russia-773.08 billion kWh (2001)
less people are in Russia

Again you're right. The population of the USA is about 290 million to Russia's 145 million. So what you're saying is that Russia with about half the population needs less than a fourth of the electricity. Mighty industrial complex there Russian...check your math, it looks bad tovarish...

Exports
USA - $687 billion (2002)
Russia-104.6 billion (2002)
most of these are war products

Again, you are correct. Military exports make up 20% of the Russian exports. where they make up about 3% of US exports. As you've demostrated your math is as good as mine, so for illustrations sake we'll punch the numbers. USA 3% of 687 Billion is 20.61 Billion Russia 20% of 104.6 billion is 20.92 Billion. Yes, indeed you are correct.

Imports
USA - $1.165 trillion (2002)
Russia - $60.7 billion (2002)
who needs to import things when they could make them?!

You truly missed the point on this one, igh>...pass me another nesting doll Russian.

Communications:
telephones (mainlines)
USA - 194 million (1997)
Russia - 30 million (1998)
less people and people are not to lazy to go across the street and talk to their neighbors instead of calling

This is truly pathetic. Nest thing you're going to tell me is that Opie and Aunt Bea are making apple pie in the kitchen.

cellular phones
USA - 69.209 million (1998)
Russia - 19 million (2003)
does every kid need a cellphone?!

no but every scientist, business man does.

ISP's
USA- 7000 (2002)
Russia - 300 (2002)
what ever that means!

That statement speaks volumes unto itself. Russian my friend, without a Internet Service Provider this little discussion wouldn't be possible.

Internet Users
USA - 165.75 million (2002)
Russia - 18 million (2002)
to much bull# in the newspaper so they just read the paper!

sad. truly sad. Just the facts Russian, sound familiar?

Russian, if you're going to draw a line in the sand and then ignore it, it shows alot about your true intent.

hrxll

[Edited on 1-12-03 by HerExcellency]

ISP - Internet Service Provider or if your talking MS c++ ISP is the command to brute force ( or make ). Yes, Iam smart in computers


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[Edited on 1-12-2003 by MarkLuitzen]

Originally posted by MarkLuitzen


[Edited on 1-12-2003 by MarkLuitzen]

WTF?

This is perhaps the stupidest go nowhere thread on this site. Why not just have an arguement over whose dad is stronger.

Originally posted by greenkoolaid
This is perhaps the stupidest go nowhere thread on this site. Why not just have an arguement over whose dad is stronger.

Dad?

NO this is COUNTRY!

I put this THREAD UP TO SHOW THE RUSSIAN TECH HATERS THAT RUSSIANS HAVE SOMTHING THAT CAN WASTE THEM!

Ok now the tensions need to calm down.

Here is my point of view.

U.S. > Russia in POWER / Trade / Economy.

Hell, California itself had the 5th biggest economy in the world, and the U.S. was #1.

The U.S. still has a little edge of Russia. Why? Because of Russia's fall, it slowed it down. Russia is creeping back though, and the U.S. and Russia are or were the only true super powers in modern history (excluding Nazi Germany.)

So, all in all, at the present moment, the U.S. still has the edge over Russia power wise. Military wise? Let us all hope that these two caged dogs don't fight eachother anytime soon, it would be a mistake for each country, and the world.

Peace.

-wD

Originally posted by WeBDeviL
Ok now the tensions need to calm down.

Here is my point of view.

U.S. > Russia in POWER / Trade / Economy.

Hell, California itself had the 5th biggest economy in the world, and the U.S. was #1.

The U.S. still has a little edge of Russia. Why? Because of Russia's fall, it slowed it down. Russia is creeping back though, and the U.S. and Russia are or were the only true super powers in modern history (excluding Nazi Germany.)

So, all in all, at the present moment, the U.S. still has the edge over Russia power wise. Military wise? Let us all hope that these two caged dogs don't fight eachother anytime soon, it would be a mistake for each country, and the world.

Peace.

-wD

I agree the Russian are creeping up to the US.

Also I disagree that US is better.

There is tech on both sides that is better at one or the other thing.

Also why not debate the Tech?

At least i would rather do that then talk about swords and bows which will NOT kill a person that has a MODERN weapon.(unless the person is REALLY STUPID!)