The United States uses ships that are more rounded. We do not have s specific ship. Ours can perform all the tasks of the ship above and more.

Besides that ship is all ready out of date. Look at that design. Can you imagine the radar signature.

stop the crappy propaganda, what about teconderoga?[sp]

2 Kirovs can put an entire US CVBG on the bottom!

Replacement for MiG-29? The MiG I-2000, which is being devleoped in a modified version by iran.

MiG-35 was probably sold to the chinese so they can make their J-12.

Su-47 is being developed into the Su-pakfa, together with india.

Then theres MiG-29SMT, a versio with reduced RCS.

Originally posted by Hyperspace
Let's see a Russian laser cannon...here is the American version.

Keep dreaming Jetboy..

It isnt American..

Not by far!!!



Its made and designed in small nation called Isreal..

Originally posted by jetsetter
Besides that ship is all ready out of date. Look at that design. Can you imagine the radar signature.

earnt urself enough points then?? why not post up a link...*spammer*!!

my objection to that? you changed the viewing size of the first&second pages, ie: it's a pain in the ass to read.

russian...are u a ruski?? or do u feel it's ur purpose as anti-american to pose as the artificial enemy??
just some thoughts,
Cyrus

Even China has anti-satelite lasers..

Who do you think that sold them the techs?

..

Let me tell ya..

RUSSIANS..

Originally posted by bisonn
2 Kirovs can put an entire US CVBG on the bottom!

Replacement for MiG-29? The MiG I-2000, which is being devleoped in a modified version by iran.

MiG-35 was probably sold to the chinese so they can make their J-12.

Su-47 is being developed into the Su-pakfa, together with india.

Then theres MiG-29SMT, a versio with reduced RCS.

u still have that 9mm lodged in ur other lung..

what's with the name?

btw, i concur with u on that one.

Originally posted by bisonn
2 Kirovs can put an entire US CVBG on the bottom!

What "could" or "would" do is immaterial in regards again to what you have mentioned. Why? Ever heard of the word: DECOMMISSIONED?
There were only 4 Kirov class BCGN's built:
Admiral Ushakov---ex-Kirov; was stricken in 1998, but political efforts were launched in the Duma to reinstate the ship as an active vessel. A public fundraising campaign was instituted to save the ship, but this has failed to produce the needed funds
Admiral Lasarev---ex-Frunze; decommissioned Jun 99. May be recommissioned for Pacific Fleet if funds can be found. Currently maintained in reserve in Strelok Bay. Suffered damage in a fire that broke out in Dec. 2002.
Admiral Nakhimov---ex-Kalinin. Undergoing refit. Due to lack of funding, currently maintained in Strelok Bay.
Pyotr Veliky---only Pyotr Veliky is in active service, based in Severomorsk.

Answer to countering the only single 'Kirov' class the Russians have: Arleigh Burke class!


Replacement for MiG-29? The MiG I-2000, which is being devleoped in a modified version by iran.

Mig I-2000 is having funding problems, by both the Iranians and Russian parts.


MiG-35 was probably sold to the chinese so they can make their J-12.

Wrong answer!


Su-47 is being developed into the Su-pakfa, together with india.

The Pak-fa is also experiencing finding problems from bith Indian and Russian counter-parts. The Indians are concentrating on the their LCA program, nonetheless.


Then theres MiG-29SMT, a versio with reduced RCS.

Reduced RCS? How so? In any case, it's RCS is nothing when compared to the F-22. And the 29SMT is being countered by the F-16 Block60's, F-15 AESA's, and obviously the F-22.

regards
seekerof

Can anyone actually come close to taking this thread seriously when most of the parties invloved are so obviously biased one way or the other?

You've got a guy named "Russian" in the thread. Hmmmm....geee...I wonder if HE'S biased or not.
You've got the patriotic american guy....hmmm...I bet he's going to have an unbiased view.

This is all so obviously speculative and one-sided. No one can argue this either way until you see these in action, because WHO ARE YOU TO SAY WHETHER IT IS PROPOGANDA OR NOT? You don't KNOW if any of these weapons that "look really scary!" can actually do half of what they are touted as being capable of until they are put through real combat. A bunch of civlians sitting around arguing about which is cooler and standing up for their respective countries.

I'm sorry, don't mean to burst any bubbles, but reading this thread is like reading a Star Trek vs. Star Wars thread with "Obi-Wan" and "Cpt Kirk" as the main contributors.

Originally posted by SevenZeroOne
Can anyone actually come close to taking this thread seriously when most of the parties invloved are so obviously biased one way or the other?

You've got a guy named "Russian" in the thread. Hmmmm....geee...I wonder if HE'S biased or not.
You've got the patriotic american guy....hmmm...I bet he's going to have an unbiased view.

This is all so obviously speculative and one-sided. No one can argue this either way until you see these in action, because WHO ARE YOU TO SAY WHETHER IT IS PROPOGANDA OR NOT? You don't KNOW if any of these weapons that "look really scary!" can actually do half of what they are touted as being capable of until they are put through real combat. A bunch of civlians sitting around arguing about which is cooler and standing up for their respective countries.

I'm sorry, don't mean to burst any bubbles, but reading this thread is like reading a Star Trek vs. Star Wars thread with "Obi-Wan" and "Cpt Kirk" as the main contributors.

i propose that someone lock this thread

Originally posted by SevenZeroOne
Can anyone actually come close to taking this thread seriously when most of the parties invloved are so obviously biased one way or the other?

You've got a guy named "Russian" in the thread. Hmmmm....geee...I wonder if HE'S biased or not.
You've got the patriotic american guy....hmmm...I bet he's going to have an unbiased view.

This is all so obviously speculative and one-sided. No one can argue this either way until you see these in action, because WHO ARE YOU TO SAY WHETHER IT IS PROPOGANDA OR NOT? You don't KNOW if any of these weapons that "look really scary!" can actually do half of what they are touted as being capable of until they are put through real combat. A bunch of civlians sitting around arguing about which is cooler and standing up for their respective countries.

I'm sorry, don't mean to burst any bubbles, but reading this thread is like reading a Star Trek vs. Star Wars thread with "Obi-Wan" and "Cpt Kirk" as the main contributors.

aight 701, u could'a landed it a little softer, but hey, i'm ukrainan...am i biased?
am i pro american?? no
am i anti american, not yet

will the rest of europe take a sudden leap with the economy and cripple the U.S? yes.

oh....and btw, the russian prototypes tend to be created in pairs', one for testing, the other to survive.
keep your knowledge on the U.S side of things, for you will be labelled ignorant if you get pissed off on the accounts of your "alleged" superior knowledge, my advice is this: verify your information first, and then come bellowing at all.
Cyrus

Originally posted by Seekerof

Originally posted by bisonn
2 Kirovs can put an entire US CVBG on the bottom!

What "could" or "would" do is immaterial in regards again to what you have mentioned. Why? Ever heard of the word: DECOMMISSIONED?
There were only 4 Kirov class BCGN's built:
Admiral Ushakov---ex-Kirov; was stricken in 1998, but political efforts were launched in the Duma to reinstate the ship as an active vessel. A public fundraising campaign was instituted to save the ship, but this has failed to produce the needed funds
Admiral Lasarev---ex-Frunze; decommissioned Jun 99. May be recommissioned for Pacific Fleet if funds can be found. Currently maintained in reserve in Strelok Bay. Suffered damage in a fire that broke out in Dec. 2002.
Admiral Nakhimov---ex-Kalinin. Undergoing refit. Due to lack of funding, currently maintained in Strelok Bay.
Pyotr Veliky---only Pyotr Veliky is in active service, based in Severomorsk.

Answer to countering the only single 'Kirov' class the Russians have: Arleigh Burke class!


Replacement for MiG-29? The MiG I-2000, which is being devleoped in a modified version by iran.

Mig I-2000 is having funding problems, by both the Iranians and Russian parts.


MiG-35 was probably sold to the chinese so they can make their J-12.

Wrong answer!


Su-47 is being developed into the Su-pakfa, together with india.

The Pak-fa is also experiencing finding problems from bith Indian and Russian counter-parts. The Indians are concentrating on the their LCA program, nonetheless.


Then theres MiG-29SMT, a versio with reduced RCS.

Reduced RCS? How so? In any case, it's RCS is nothing when compared to the F-22. And the 29SMT is being countered by the F-16 Block60's, F-15 AESA's, and obviously the F-22.

regards
seekerof

THis thread is not for discussing funding problems or training, k? Its for discussing russian vs american TECH!

Originally posted by bisonn

THis thread is not for discussing funding problems or training, k? Its for discussing russian vs american TECH!

Also i want to add:

This all talk about Russia being broke today is BS, it was reality during Yeltsin years.. but is now past..

(Yeltsin beign that whore that sold whole of the USSR to US and to criminals..)

..

Our American 'friends' just want to us/others to make belive that this is still the case..

But it isnt..

You see, they envy everything Russian..

As during the cold war US was so tiny.. and USSR was so mighty..

Now they are just trying hard to get over it by bullying 'weak' Russia..

Trying to play it down..

Sad part just being that Russia really arent that weak..



[Edited on 29-11-2003 by FULCRUM]

Originally posted by Cyrus

Originally posted by jetsetter
Besides that ship is all ready out of date. Look at that design. Can you imagine the radar signature.

earnt urself enough points then?? why not post up a link...*spammer*!!

my objection to that? you changed the viewing size of the first&second pages, ie: it's a pain in the ass to read.

russian...are u a ruski?? or do u feel it's ur purpose as anti-american to pose as the artificial enemy??
just some thoughts,
Cyrus

I was just stating my opinion and it is true. That is why the US and many other countires are switching to more stealthier designs. As for the posts, just suck it up.