posted by polanksi
A draft would just stir the pot. Then people would take a closer look at Iraq and plans to go worldwide. You will soon need a passport to go to
Canada. [The world’s longest undefended border will become a memory.] With globalization and the economy, [those] in the [economic] dumps,
[knee-jerk] patriotism doesn't look as appealing as it did. Maybe the illegal aliens will fight for us, kind of like Rome just before the fall?
[Edited by Don W]
I know a draft poses huge problems. To implement a fair draft - what we did not have in the Vietnam War - requires a sea change in America’s
attitude towards social obligations. In War 2, 16 million men and women served. About half were drafted. The highest number on duty at one time was
13 million in August,1945. Our plans for invading the Japanese home islands started with 500,000 men going ashore on Shikoku, the island just south of
the main island, Honshu. Shikoku would provide the staging site for the main invasion, which would require 1,000,000 men. Army doctrine says to hold
1/3rd of your force in reserve so that meant we’d need another 500,000 combat ready men held back. Yet anointer 1,000,000 men were planned for the
Japan occupation force afer the shooting ended. We predicted losing between 10% and 30% of the landing forces KIA. 1 million body bags were ordered.
Yet, America’s population in 1940 was given at just 132 million.
We fought the Korean War with the left overs of War 2. Men and material. I for example, worked on WW2 Douglas B26s taken out of mothballs, which
served in Korea as close ground support or reconnaissance work. I was a radio radar mechanic in the 11th TRS - Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron (W),
for weather. 99% of our senior NCOs were WW2 vets who either had stayed in or who were recalled or rejoined when NK invaded SK. June, 1950. We were
12 months into the War before F86s began to replace the lack-luster F80s that had come into service in 1946 and were out-performed by the MIG15s. The
F80s became photo reconnaissance planes in the 12th, 15th, and 45th squadrons added to my 11th, that made up the 67th TRW (wing) at Kimpo AB, (K14).
Until 1965, we did the same thing in Vietnam. Used WW2 left-overs. Do not get me wrong, there was nothing wrong with our equipment in 1945. It was
just that our adversaries - enemies - had moved on to Generation 2 equipment while we are still using Generation 1 stuff. That does not mean much to
the folks back home, but it becomes a life and death matter to the men in the front line. If we had been equipped at the start in 1965 with the
equipment we had at the end, in 1975, I’d estimate 1/3rd of the KIA - 59,000 - would not have been KIA. 20,000 dead men. But that’s life in the
fast lane. Alfred Lord Tennyson said it best, see Foot Note 1.
Demographically we have about 40 million men and women in draft age. 18 to 34. Younger than 18, they are not fully grown or developed, at least
physically. Over 34 and they become disciplinary problems. Unwilling to follow orders without questions. Not good for front line soldiers. When the
captain says first squad, take the left, second squad take the right and third squad, hold the center, you cannot argue, debate or make alternate
suggestions. And leaving the field of battle on your own? Officers are authorized to shoot you dead! So, that’s a no-no.
At the end of 2006, we have 507,000 men and women in the Army, and 180,000 in the USMC according to numbers I heard yesterday. It would have turned
out much differently in Iraq if we had had 800,000 Army and 250,000 MC in 2003. But the simple truth is we can‘t afford that number on today’s pay
scale. I’d suggest drafting people for 2 years at 33% of the volunteer pay scale, or for 3 years at 50% of the volunteer scale. Those who did not
qualify for the Armed Forces would be offered alternative public service jobs, paid at the same rates. The one feature that attracted million of men
to volunteer - even for the draft - was the promise of a college education on discharge.
The WW2 GI Bill was so simple. You got 1.5 months of college for each 1 month of service, up to a maximum of 36 months college, which would get you
through a 4 year program, with summers off. Ex-GI’s had choice A., a monthly stipend closely calculated to pay your way at a state college or
university - no tuition back then - or choice B., the Fed’s would pay your tuition, books and fees, room and board, directly to the institution, and
give you $50 a month - today, say, $500 - for your misc. expenses. Let the same rules apply to those who elect forest service, or nursing home or day
care assistants or single parent family mentors, public housekeeping such as cleaning the streets and roads, and helpers in upkeep for all the
public’s buildings and facilities. Volunteering for the public sector draft would be encouraged and registration by high school seniors would be
accepted. High school drop-outs would be tracked on the GED programs. Of course, craft, trade and technical school would be treated as equal to
college or university.
posted by Vekar
Starship troopers=Fascism personified
Draft=Quick way to create reason for all out police state due to civil unrest
Those who flee from the draft=Canada and Mexico no longer an option, they will turn you back thanks to regulations. They have not turned back the AWOL
because they are so few the military does not care
Draft2=If you do not support the government, its actions, its current wars and future wars at this rate RUN. If you fight for them you are supporting
them no matter WHAT you do.
Draft3=To survive, disappear in the forests and deserts. [Edited by Don W]
There are risks attendant on change. Especially one that is controversial. But how long do you pursue a failed or failing policy?
Foot Note 1.
Half a league half a league, Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred:
'Forward, the Light Brigade! Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
Was there a man dismay'd ? Not tho' the soldier knew
Some one had blunder'd: Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do & die,
Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
By Alfred Lord Tennyson
[edit on 12/23/2006 by donwhite]