Best Tank!

Originally posted by GabRaz
fulcrum ur funny. Agressive, but funny.

This is my point exactly. As pictures have shown, the t-72, t-80, and the t-90 are not completly covered in reactive armour, therefore there will always be a weak spot. the M-1 has no reactive armour at all, yet.
And for it to survive better than the T series speaks measures.

Yeah..

It just uses URANIUM ARMOR and it is very dangerous if it is penetrated.



And i have also heard that M1 does infact have ERA armor also,

integrated inside its spaced armor.



CCCP / Russian tanks dont use this URANIUM ARMOR that M1 does have.

Originally posted by GabRaz
Btw in a previous thread, u were right about the patria AMV, a substantially better platform than the Stryker (which is a waste of money in my opinion). The Styker is going to cause deaths on the wrong side. the US should stick to the M2A3. The only reason the LAV-25 works in the USMC is because its real fast when compared to other platforms.

Plus the Patria's beatiful and smooth.

Well,

About AMV:

"The vehicle is fitted with modular ballistic protection to the customer specification up to a protection level against 30mm armour piercing APFSDS rounds."

And this is by its integral armor..

Not by some add-on kits..



Stryker has this for 14,5mm..



Also Stryker already seems to me as out dated design and it is supposed to be new..



And about LAV-25..

It has certain level of fire power against MBTs also..

As its 25mm DU-round as i understand can penetrate T-55s and maybe T-62 also..

From front..



And futhermore..

USMC is well trained force..

And supported by powerful air element of its own.

Maybe best trained of all 'MAJOR FIGHTING FORCES'..

If IDF armor corps isnt counted..

the strykers current main weapon in the apc role is a remote controlled 12.7 M-2HB. ironically the weapon has to be removed for it to fit in the C-130. furthermore the MG is set so high on its mount that reloadiing the weapon is a hazard, more than half of the reloader's body would be exposed to incoming fire.

The Styker is actually the LAV III made by GM Canada division and is nothing more of a modified verision of the swiss MOWAG Pirahna 3 8x8. Even the Canadian version has the 25mm Delco turret used by the USMC LAV 25 fleet.

The Stryker will have one compensation: the use of the 105mm MGS low recoil automated turret. though questions of stability arrise when the cannon is fired to the side from such a narrow chassis.

Originally posted by GabRaz

The Styker is actually the LAV III made by GM Canada division and is nothing more of a modified verision of the swiss MOWAG Pirahna 3 8x8.

I have been couples of times tempted to say that this is so..

But i havent dared as i have not checked this out from no where..

That is it..

Its just that it does look like it would be..

And now your telling me that this is so..



Thanks for the info.

Originally posted by GabRaz

The Stryker will have one compensation: the use of the 105mm MGS low recoil automated turret. though questions of stability arrise when the cannon is fired to the side from such a narrow chassis.

I think that MGS isnt supposed to be a 'shoot on the move', but rather mobile AT-GUN..



Also if it isnt fired at '90 degrees (to the side..)' i think that it will be stabile enough..

As the vehicle is quite long..

but theres ur problem, what if a crew member does fire at 90 degrees of access, ur not going to tell me that they're gonna limit the turret rotatational field. that would be ridiculous.
This piece of crap is supposed to suppliment the M-1, but its protection values and offensive weaponry fall short of satisfactory. Why give in to such stupidity. The Canadians use the Bison 6x6 with a 76mm cannon this is more remaniscient of a true infantry support weapon.
if u need something bigger use the Rooikat, or the Centauro; sure they wont fit in a c-130 but neither does the MGS.

Rooikat,

That is a fine piece of South African metal..





Oh yeah..

SA:s weapon of choice for this is 76mm..



As they are not mad as USA..
(But im sure that it can handle 105mm just fine.. as can that French thing.. was it AMX-10 RC?)

But there is 105mm variant also..

Of Rooikat..




French AMX-10 RC armored car with 105mm!



(But these vehicles are low.. Stryker isnt..



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Originally posted by GabRaz
but theres ur problem, what if a crew member does fire at 90 degrees of access, ur not going to tell me that they're gonna limit the turret rotatational field. that would be ridiculous.

No..

They would only limit this so that in certain degrees of rotation the cannon would not fire..

Like it has been done with weapons aboard ships and planes..

So that people wouldnt accidentaly shoot their own machines to pieces..

u should check out the new modernised AMX-10RC. the french have added some kind of skirt, though it does not really protect the wheels the skirt actually start from the top of the chassis roof, and ends a quarter of the way down to the wheels. New transmission and gear shifter. increased armour on the turret sides and front and the glasis plate. numeric battlefield integration (just like the M1A2) and integrated sensors for projectile detection and decoy system. All current RCs are to be upgraded to this level and given 105mm cannons.

Originally posted by GabRaz
All current RCs are to be upgraded to this level and given 105mm cannons.

ALL AMX-10 RC:s have always had 105mm..



www.army-technology.com...

UPGRADE PROGRAMME

300 French Army AMX-10RC vehicles are being upgraded with new engine and transmission, additional armour protection, a battlefield management information system, the Galix self-protection system and new PR4G radios from Thales (formerly Thomson-CSF). Two prototype vehicles were delivered in 2002 for trials. Deliveries of the first of 88 upgrade vehicles will begin in 2003 and final deliveries are expected in 2009. The upgrade is intended to maintain the operational capability of the vehicles until 2015-2020.

The battlefield management information system, the SIT V1 Terminal Information System, has been developed by Giat and EADS Defense Electronics Systems and is based on the FINDERS system in service on French Army Leclerc tanks. Giat is responsible for the software and system integration and EADS for the computer and graphics terminal. The system connects the weapon systems and the squadron command vehicles equipped with them to the chain of command. They allow the exchange of digitised data, including the tactical situation and graphic orders displayed on a background map, between the vehicle and the squadron command vehicle.

ARMAMENT

There are two turret configurations for the AMX 10RC: the TK 105 turret with light 105mm gun or the TML 105 turret with 105mm NATO standard gun, both manufactured by Giat Industries. The TK 105 and TML 105 turrets use a mantlet sight, which is firmly linked to the movements of the gun for firing accuracy.

The TML 105 turret has a conveyor for storing and loading ammunition rounds. The Giat Industries APFSDS (armour-piercing, fin-stabilised, discarding sabot) 105 F1 round, fired by the TML 105 gun, can destroy single and triple NATO heavy tanks at a distance of 2,200m. The hit probability is stated as higher than 90% at 2,000m.

The close defence of the AMX 10RC is provided by a coaxial 7.62mm machine gun.

SELF-PROTECTION

The upgraded AMX 10RC is equipped with the Galix defence system, which dispenses anti-personnel grenades, large band smoke grenades and decoys. The welded light alloy structure provides protection against artillery shell splinters and automatic medium calibre weapons. The LIRE infrared countermeasures system is also being fitted.

The AMX 10 RC can be fitted with nuclear, chemical and biological warfare (NBC) protection with air filtering and crew compartment overpressurisation.



Also:

It is also air transportable in a C-130, IL-76 or Boeing 747 aircraft.

My mistake

didnt realize, thought it had the same gun as the original Panhard Sagaie ERC 90

Uhm..

"Panhard Sagaie ERC 90" and "AMX-10 RC" arent related..



As they are build by different corporations that compete with each others..

Trust me..

I know my 'stuff'..

I know

the Sagaie is produced by Panhard
the AMX-10RC by Giat (makers of the Leclerc)

Strangely enough both do serve in the French military. The Giat has had a reacuring role with the Marine and Armee in the recon role while the panhard has been used by the 27th montain brigade among others. Recently used in Bunia and Entebbe in operation Artemis with the 3rd mech infantry of the french army and the "Commandement des Operations Speciales" (french version of socom)

Does anybody know if the Leopard 2 A6 will really have a 55 calibre cannon?
If so, what was the original calibre? and which countries would adopt the new one (many countries are equiped with the Reinmetal 120mm smoothbore cannon).

What do you guys think? used 3Dmax tryin to figure out how to accessorise it. its based on the T-80 (ironic eh fulcrum .lol. ). i would sure like to here from u guys. somehow im having problems with the post so for those u cant see the pic:

www.geocities.com...



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i like the .....
Challenger 2
The superb Challenge 2 (CR2) is the British Army�s Main Battle Tank. CR2 is based on the Challenger 1 that served with distinction on operations in the Gulf War and the Balkans. Only 5 per cent of Challenger 2 components are interchangeable with its predecessor; over 150 major modifications include a completely new turret, L30 CHARM 120mm gun and second generation Chobham armour. Challenger 2�s Thermal Observation and Gunnery (TOGS) diplays a magnified image for the ommander and gunner. The commander has a gyrostabilised fully panoramic sight with laser range finder and thermal imager. The gunner is equipped with a gyrostabilised primary sight with a laser range finder and coaxially mounted auxillary sight. The drivers position has an image-intensifing day and night periscope, and the loader has a day sight.



Crew 4
Length Gun Forward 11.55m;
Hull Length 8.3m;
Height to Turret Roof 2.49m;
Width 3.5m;
Ground Clearance 0.5m;
Combat Weight 62,500 kgs;
Main Armament 1 x 120mm L30 CHARM Gun (CHallenger main ARmament);
Ammunition Carried Typically 50 rounds - APFSDS, HESH, Smoke;
Secondary Armament Co-axial 7.62mm chain gun; 7.62mm GPMG Turret Mounted for Air Defence;
Ammunition Carried 4000 rounds 7.62mm;
Engine 1200bhp Perkins-Condor CV12;
Maximum Road Speed 59kph;
Average Cross Country Speed 40kph.

Indeed Challenger 2 is one of my best tanks too.

I think the three best tank that are right now in operation are: Challenger 2, T-90, and M1A2.

Out,
Russian

Originally posted by Russian
Indeed Challenger 2 is one of my best tanks too.

I think the three best tank that are right now in operation are: Challenger 2, T-90, and M1A2.

Out,
Russian

m1a2 is just a crappt copy of the leopard

here are my favs:
1.t-80u series
2.STRV-122
3.Merkava4

Originally posted by SectorGaza



m1a2 is just a crappt copy of the leopard

here are my favs:
1.t-80u series
2.STRV-122
3.Merkava4

I still have respect for the M1A2.

It is a nice machine when handled properly.

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Russian