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reply posted on 2-4-2006 @ 06:59 AM by grimketel
As for the debate, western mbts such as the m1a3 (which is in service now), will always win out, all things remaining equal. some might argue that Arena, or shrota (or whatever it is called) will make a russian mbt better, but they forget 2 essential things. 1- these are test systems on prototype and unproduced russian tanks- pipedreams. what happens when the atgm defence runs out of ammo? and not all shots at a russian tank will be atgm... most will be the latest ass kicking DU apfsds-t round which can easily penetrate multiple t-series tanks, as is proven in Iraq, since the M1 series is specificaly designed in an anti tank role.

2. there are more aspects of a tank than its fancy pants non production idea defence systems. tanks are a mix of firepower, mobility and portection, and the M1 series has these in a better quantity than any other tank in the world.

russian tanks burn up real fast when hit with western rounds regardless of conditions. in Iraq it takes multiple RPG hits at close range to the rear of an M1 to even disable it. and thats in urban warfare which is the precise oposit to what the M1 abrams tank was designed for. you show me a production car that can float like a boat and it will get major kudos. same with mbts. a main battle tank that can perform so well, even operating outside its perameters deserves respect, and the title.

Dont forget in those pics shown earlier the destruction was mostly caused by the crews of a crippled tank, not the enemy.


reply posted on 27-8-2006 @ 02:31 PM by naaloh
Since the first 80% of the thread is a pile of crap which contains much bragging and almost no serious analysis, I'm going to warn you against the possible future spoilers, so the thread can be kept on topic, despite some Russian prats who could spoil it.

Americans can sleep peacefully, Russians are not coming. Well, you can never be sure, of course, but the chance of restoring the Russian empire is about as good as restoring the Roman empire, so be comforted.

Don't listen to the ruskies, you'll never beat them in discussion because you aren't cheeky enough for that (you should leave this task for me, who is one of their neighbors and thus can't be fooled by their arrogance).

Everybody knows that the Russian industry is absolutely incapable of producing or developing a good and cost-effective car (or tractor, or airliner, or locomotive or even computer). Can such industry which has no or almost no money for developing produce the best firearms, the best military aircrafts, the best tanks, the best SAMs and the best ICBMs in the word simultaneously as they declare??? What does the common sence tell you?

But the difference is that the Russsian don't declare their #ty cars the best in the world because many people buy cars and the bluff will easily be uncovered and ridiculed, but they certainly can evade the uncovering and ridiculing of their bluff (most times that is) when they declare their #ty weapons the best in the world. "If nobody has it, nobody can see how bad it is", that's the logic of the dumb russian soldiery. Just ask yourself why don't the russians rush their "best weapons" into production? Why aren't they able to sell their "superior" novelties to anyone? They sell alot of weapons, but most of them were desingned and many even built in Soviet times. Does that not tell you anything? Use you brains, people!

Oh, but there is a Russian "best" weapon that is available very widely. Guessed what I meant? AK rifles. They are proud of them! Cool, reliable, they say, the best! They say this while civilized world dies laughing. But don't despise the Russians, they are right in their own way. If their army, which consist mainly of wet-footed stinking conscripts who spent more time beating their supposed comrades than firing their scrapeyard guns, had been issued with superbly accurate and powerful FN FALs, for example, guess what would happen? You guessed it right they would broke them in a matter of hours. But now they have the piece of junk that they can (and will) be cocking with their feet rather than hands (don't you, ruskies, dare to say this is not happening in your army) and the weapon will still work as it can, so even the fact its muzzle is leaping in the sky with each round is of no importance to them.

Aslo never ever belive that Russians are patriotic. This is the biggest bull in the world. It wasn't patriotism that made them praise Bin Laden and it's not surely it's not patriotism making them bark about every singe US or NATO military activity. The reason is entirely different - they just HATE americans and, to a lesser extend, their allies. The russians go stark-raving mad at the thoughts of seventies when they were a formidable force that could deal with the US on equal terms, even more so seeing that now most of their (russian) former allies wiped their arses with Russian flag and sent it back to Moscow (and that's not just Eastern Europe that did so, by the way :-DD).

So "patriotic" Russians are no more capable of military analysis than Adolf Hitler was capable of interpretating Talmud, therefore just ignore them.

Back on topic: I don't know (and it's virtually impossible to determine) what tank is the best if by "best" we mean "the most potent". What IS possible to determine is which tank has the best combat record (or at least kill ratio). It seems to be M1A2 (if we are talking about modern tanks).


reply posted on 15-5-2008 @ 06:04 PM by Excitable_Boy
The best tank? That's easy: A fish tank!

They rock dude. You can put water in them and a filter.....and FISH! You feed them (not too much as they over-poop the water and make it kill them). You watch them like the wild kingdom. Some will die...others, if group them well, will eat a tank-mate.

Or.....you can empty the tank and dry it and throw a reptile in there. A nice ball python? Or some kind of lizard? Something that requires food from the pet store. Like the ball python....depending on the size, a mouse a week or gerbel per week or one rat per week. That's cool. Watching the poor little rodent walk around without a clue and either get it quick...or, the snake decides to wait a day...or two and that rodent is now shaking and waiting to die. It knows it's over. Just don't take a rat out and make it a pet. Because they actually make cool pets. But, if your friend a month later tosses it into the tank with a hungry python, the python will eat it...and probably not move for two days as the big lump in its belly gets smaller and smaller.......and you have to say goodbye to Ricky the rat or whatever you named him.

But seriously, I hate to see fish in fish tanks. They should be free in whatever water they prefer, not in a tank for our amusement. How would you all like it if giant aliens came down and put you in a tank for their viewing pleasure. There was an old Twilight Zone episode that touched on this subject.

I hate reptiles too....the snake thing happened about 15 years ago and it was a friend's snake. Most certainly NOT mine!!



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