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Originally posted by Vitchilo
We just want to have a garantee that we will keep our language and our values... that's why we want to seperate in the first place, if you give us all that, why would we seperate?
I just fear when the NAU will arrive, and destroy the US/Mexico/Canada constitution, with all the hate towards us, our right to speak french will not be in the constitution and then we will be forced to speak english, a thing that most of us won't accept at all.
I have never seen or heard of anyone trying to take away the French language or values within Canada. Not within my life time anyway. As a fellow Canadian perhaps you could inform me of anything that I may have missed? Thank you.
If a North American Union was to ever form. Why do you fear that you'd be forced to speak English? The European Union has 20 official languages (soon to be 21 with Irish being added to the list), so why do you think it would be any different for a NAU? I could see English, French and Spanish (and possibly others) being official languages for a NAU.
And I don't see hate towards French speakers in Canada. Maybe it's because I live on the west coast, but I'd still think I would have heard something. I see dislike for the idea of separating, but that's about it.
Can someone help me out here, would this be like California saying that it's an independent nation? If so, then you guys shouldn't allow it, I prefer out policy, once you join the union there's no going back.
I really do not understand how trying to Seperate yourselves beneifts unity? A united laguage is a good launguage. Why don't we just hurry up the North American Union? That would make things much better.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
I really do not understand how trying to Seperate yourselves beneifts unity? A united laguage is a good launguage. Why don't we just hurry up the North American Union? That would make things much better.
Yeah, give up your borders, rights and constitution. So you want to move from the US to a dictatorship in NA? Do you know who will write the new constitution? The corporations. Do you know what this is called? Fascism!
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Can someone help me out here, would this be like California saying that it's an independent nation?
Originally posted by Vitchilo
It's because we fear for our language... after all, we are surrounded by 330 millions of english people with a different culture.
But I doubt they would make 21 languages officials, I just hope that if a NAU is formed, we keep our french, you keep your english and the mexicans keep their spanish, and that it's written in the constitution.
I see a lot of english canadian on the web spitting their hate against us because a lot of us want to seperate to save our culture and our language. They don't know anything about Quebec and they hate us... It's just plain stupid.
Originally posted by jsobecky
And believe me, if you want to know how it feels to be hated, become a US citizen.
Originally posted by denythestatusquo
This makes me happy because the reality of Quebec leaving Canada is becoming a subject of discussion again. They will go and the sooner the better for the rest of us.
Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
There should be a vote in Quebec if they want to not be part of Canada.
I think eventually Quebec will split off, as this issue never seems to die no matter what accomodations the Canadian government gives to the French-speaking Quebecers. They would probably become an independent country, but I think some of them really want to become part of France.
What would happen to the rest of Canada without Quebec?
Jso, have you actually gone out of the United States? We really aren't hated more than anyone else. Just because teenagers write things about the US on blogs, does not mean we are hated.
There should be a vote in Quebec if they want to not be part of Canada. What does Quebec have anyway? Doesn't Alberta have most of the oil?
Originally posted by jsobecky
The main issue seems to be language, correct? It seems to be simply solved: for Quebec, honor both French and English.
One of the Charter's objectives is to increase the knowledge of French among the immigrant population so that it integrates to the mainstream society of Quebec. To do so, a disposition stipulates that children attending public schools must do so in French until the post-secondary level. It is however possible to attend non-subsidized private school in any language if the parents choose to. An exception allows for children to attend the English-language public schools if either one of the parents received his/her education in English in Canada. With this exception to the rule, the constitutional rights of the English-speaking minority of Quebec are protected. The original 1977 Charter made it legal only for children of a parent who had received his/her education in English in Quebec. This had to be amended following the adoption of the Constitution Act 1982, which defined the educational right of French and English minorities in all provinces under section 23 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
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The Charter makes French the official language in the workplace. In particular, current and prospective employees cannot be subject to discrimination if they are unable to or do not wish to use a language other than French. A regulation states that internal written communications for all corporations in Quebec must be in French, but a translation in any other language may be included if the employer deems it necessary.
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As of 2003, all video games sold in Quebec must include French instructions. Stores holding unused games with English-only instructions will be fined for each individual offending copy and see their merchandise seized.
Charter of the French Language
I wouldn't say that English speaking Canadians hate Quebec, I think it's a matter of hurt feelings. To quote Majic, "After all, there's nothing like demanding your own country to make other Canadians think you don't like being Canadian." That sums it up. When Quebec talks about separation, the rest of us are left wondering what's so bad about being Canadian?
I still want to know what the plan is for the First Nations in the event of separation. Will the nation of Quebec steal their land, continuing the great North American tradition of nation building? Even Quebec City is under a land claim. Nobody has ever given me an answer to this question, no matter how many times I have asked.
Like jra said, there have already been two referendums, both of which the No side won. The last time they had a vote Jacques Parizeau, the Premier of Quebec at the time, blamed the loss on money and the ethnic vote. I think statements like that are what make the rest of Canada go, 'Well, that's not very nice'. It makes it sound like only French speaking voters have a right to a vote.
I have no problem with Quebec being recognized as a 'nation within a nation'. After all, we already gave the First Nations that status. I just want it to end, and I don't mind a compromise.
Vitchilo, do you think that if this went through it would put an end to 50 years of separation talk? Or would people say that it's not enough? The Parti Quebecois has a lot invested in the idea of separation and I don't see them being happy with this proposal.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Eh... Europe hate USA, south america hate USA, middle-east hate USA... they hate your administration and what you did in Iraq and your tendency of imperialism.