Missions Over U.S. Slated for Global Hawk

Originally posted by shots
If you are talking about the Big Brtoher Blimp they just let the contract for the power system this year and it is not operational although they might have a protype in testing.

No, I was just citing an example of the latest tech. They have had stationary border patrol blimps for years.

Blimps are otherwise known as “aerostats” and have been around since World War I. Over the years, the U.S. military has frequently used blimps in surveillance and reconnaissance roles. During the 1980s and 1990s, for instance, the Air Force created the Tethered Aerostat Radar System (TARS), essentially a “picket fence” of 10 blimps stationed along the U.S.-Mexico border to detect illegal drug shipments. Each TARS blimp is over 200-feet long and can ascend to 15,000 feet while tethered by a single 25,000-foot-long cable. source

Too many movies, huh? Maybe we should all just change our names to Martin Niemoller.

Originally posted by soficrow

Originally posted by Infoholic

The U.S. is not a "democracy".... it's a Republic. Big Diff.

What's with this recurring polarization theme of "democracy" versus "republic" ?

Like a republic is not a representative democracy?

...Seems that the good ol' USA is gearing up for a national emergency in every department.

Wonder what's coming? Besides a military coup, I mean, justified as a necessity under a non-democracy.

Read and understand the Pledge of Allegiance. This was in initial reference to the U.S.A. being a republic.

Definitions
Republic - a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.

Democracy - government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

The United States is by definition a nation of which the power is ours, a republic. Our republic nation is governed by a democracy.



Secondly, before we get off topic...

Source

...That is set to change Monday, when the first Global Hawk is scheduled to land at Beale Air Force Base in northern California...

I'm sorry, but this worries me.

Capt. Michael Andrews
This landmark flight has historic implications since it's the first time a Global Hawk has not only flown from Beale, but anywhere in the United States on an official Air Combat Command mission.

The planes are designed to fly at high altitudes for 40 hour-missions covering as much as 10,000 miles, mostly providing aerial surveillance.

More surveillance of the American populous? All the police state issues we have aren't even being hidden any more, are they?

[edit on 11/20/2006 by Infoholic]

you guys need to take a few steps back and see the WHOLE BIG PICTURE

or put all the pieces together!!!!

lets see,
we have surveilance that has the capability so see into the earth,
to see tunnels, bunkers, bomb shelters etc...
such as Ground Penetrating Radar,

we are securing our borders, (to keep the DRAFT DODGERS in america)
not to keep foreigners out!!!!

we are going to implement the DRAFT

we hit 300,000,000 americans

the world cannot support 6 billion people living like americans,
they are going to implement POPULATION CONTROL,,
through the upcoming iran,syria, n korean rest of world wars!!!!

you see, those big rich corporation elite freaks,
cannot stand the fact that there are so many poor people in their way,

clogging up traffic, using up their tax dollars, invading their parks,.........
making long lines for their ps3,.........

even though we are their SLAVES,, YES SLAVES!!!!
we get just enough scraps to stay alive but NOT PROSPER,
and WORK FROM THE TIME WE ARE 15 till they kill us, or we hit 67
then we can go to a old folks home where they kill us quicker
or we make other people our slaves.....

they've made everything that was FREE and necessary,
such as FOOD, CLOTHING, SHELTER,, very costly,
so that we must be their slaves in order to get it....

food GROWS FREE,, they cut down all of the cherry,walnut trees for their
precious desks and paperweights....
poisoned all the chickens and animals and now we have to pay for FOOD
(hn51 bird flu , and foot and mouth disease)
WATER IS ABUNDANT (they poisoned it so we have to BUY IT)

they make us live in small apartments,
so they can keep their pristine 600 acres (mr. bush) ranches

and you may think that you are part of the elite for now, BUT............

when they build a machine that can CREATE all their needs ATOM BY ATOM
(nanotech) they will NO LONGER NEED ANY OF US!!!!

and will kill us all and start over with only elite (supreme beings) (gods)


only, who will fix their machines when it breaks eventually,,,,,??????

the downfall of the ancient sumerian gods!!!!!

Admitting I know next to nothing about this, I'd like to say one thing: Let's be fair.

If this is a new technology under development, it needs to be tested. And testing overseas or other areas of the world may be cost prohibitive. And who's always bitching about saving taxpayer dollars?

So, in order to be able to say that the apparatus works as it is designed to do, it should be tested and proven before wasting anything more. And if we intend to use this against an enemy, what enemy better to begin than with the one at home?

Please, just one argument I can see TPTB can use to justify this.

These should prove themselves quite useful when the PTB decide it's time to lock everything down. Whether they are looking for "terrorists", "illeagals", or "freedom fighters", depending on which excuse they use to implement martial law, they should be able to spot/track them/us easily, making it easier to round up/blow up whatever group(s) they deem necessary.

Of course, there really is no point in worrying about this overly much, as these drones, blimps, satellites, etc. are just what they let us know they have. The real scary stuff is still classified under "national security", I'm sure.

"National security", "homeland security". Why do these terms give me a distinct feeling of insecurity?

Just personal paranoia, I guess

Originally posted by subject x
These should prove themselves quite useful when the PTB decide it's time to lock everything down. Whether they are looking for "terrorists", "illeagals", or "freedom fighters", depending on which excuse they use to implement martial law, they should be able to spot/track them/us easily, making it easier to round up/blow up whatever group(s) they deem necessary.

Of course, there really is no point in worrying about this overly much, as these drones, blimps, satellites, etc. are just what they let us know they have. The real scary stuff is still classified under "national security", I'm sure.

"National security", "homeland security". Why do these terms give me a distinct feeling of insecurity?

Just personal paranoia, I guess

If it makes you feel better, I'm sure that's a shared paranoia... me included.

This whole idea of using GH to perform domestic surveillance is just silly. They track you using you cellphone, the gps system in your car, monitor your computer use and every time you use or go past an atm , your picture is taken. You can't enter most retail stores or public buildings without being on a surveillance camera and you're worried about Global Hawk? Please spare us the hysteria about the military being used to spy on us within our borders. They threw out your 4th, 5th and 10th Amendment rights a long time ago. You self incriminate every time you walk out your door.

Originally posted by crgintx
This whole idea of using GH to perform domestic surveillance is just silly. They track you using you cellphone, the gps system in your car, monitor your computer use and every time you use or go past an atm , your picture is taken. You can't enter most retail stores or public buildings without being on a surveillance camera and you're worried about Global Hawk? Please spare us the hysteria about the military being used to spy on us within our borders. They threw out your 4th, 5th and 10th Amendment rights a long time ago. You self incriminate every time you walk out your door.

The idea of using the GH to perform domestic surveillance is just as silly as using cell phones, car gps, computer use monitoring, and cameras at atm's. The GH is just another means to keep an eye on the general populous, if in fact that is their goal with it. My concern is the satellites floating high above, especially the ones mounted with lasers.

Example

Me and crgintx standing on a street corner talking about conspiracies....
moments later...
Me and a pile of ash standing on a street corner talking about conspiracies.

hmm... it all sounds pretty far fetched, doesn't it?

I think it's far more likely that Israel will attack Iran. In which case, Iran will lash out, causing the US to join in, giving Al qaeda/Russia/China a pretext to make a few US cities go bye-bye. At which time, having lost command and control, the nation will devolve into a civil war. Red state vs Blue state, with the Red states ultimately winning because they didn't buy into the Socialist anti gun agenda. At which point, we will at least have regained our sanity, even though we will be a third world nation. But the tales of the Global Hawk will make for good fireside stories!

It is kind of interesting to wonder, and speculate on motive and intent, given the current atmosphere of media induced hyper-fear, and the us-against-them, fight to the finish mentality gripping much of the world at this moment.

We all just need to step back, give it a Keanu Reeves "Whoa, Dude!", get over ourselves for once, and come to some amicable terms for everybody before it is far and away too late.

"Dude! That's gnarly!"

Originally posted by Infoholic

Originally posted by crgintx
This whole idea of using GH to perform domestic surveillance is just silly.

The idea of using the GH to perform domestic surveillance is just as silly as using cell phones, car gps, computer use monitoring, and cameras at atm's. The GH is just another means to keep an eye on the general populous, if in fact that is their goal with it. My concern is the satellites floating high above, especially the ones mounted with lasers.

Example

Me and crgintx standing on a street corner talking about conspiracies....
moments later...
Me and a pile of ash standing on a street corner talking about conspiracies.

hmm... it all sounds pretty far fetched, doesn't it?

Infoholic, Global Hawk is going to fly over the US the same way the U2, RC-135, and half a dozen different other elint military and recon aircraft have since they started flying airplanes 100 years ago. I doubt very seriously that with the shrinking military budgets(in comparison with inflation and the gdp) that the military is going to do much surveillance over the US when they'll be very busy spying overseas. That's where most of our military spy aircraft are right now. The U-2 and TR-1 are almost as old the B-52's and have very limited loiter time when compared to the GH. That's why the USAF is purchasing 54 of them.
I wouldn't worry about laser and particle beam equipped satellites either. They're busy shooting at alien spacecraft.