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What the Democrats may do with their newly-won powers

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posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 06:56 PM
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Isnt it the truth. They're all crooked.
But its nice to see a change.


I guess the unknown evil is a better alternative these days.

Bush should have "fired" Rumsfeld last week, it may have made a difference. But its Bush we're talking about here.




posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by JackJuice

I'm not sure if your aware of this but the fact remains that Federal Tax revenues actually went up after the Bush tax cut. It remains clear that america is over taxed.
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Part of me is happy to hear about the democrats win because the Bush Admin. has gone too far and we need to swing back to the middle and balance things out but the other part of me is afraid that the democrats will ruin the good things like tax cuts and not even bother with the bad things like the patriot act.


from the same site:


Average median wage fall (in today's $) 38%
National Debt increase to $3 Trilllion since 2001
Yearly Deficit $300 Billion per year
Middle Class income after taxes down by 23%
Income of those making $250,000 or more up by 37%


SkittlesLA



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 06:02 PM
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I'm going to answer that, just a little bit.

Those democrats seemed to tip the scales the other way. Again there is no balance, but perhaps instead of focusing on fiscal issues, we can focus again on social issues.

I can't be negative here because i'm not psychic, hopefully their new powers won't turn this nation quasi socialist, hopefully.

I'm all for pro choice even though i think it's morally wrong, late term abortions should be banned if being as a birth control method, if it affects the mother's life then ok.

A minimum wage boost wouldn't hurt the working class, with interest rates increasing and everything else, why shouldn't minimum wage increase with that?

Health care? I'm not going there, I have mixed feelings about the issue.

The iraq war, most likely they will withdrawl. but whats a good tactic, we're still there and it's getting worse.

nuff said for now.



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Iraq is a SCAM and WAR ON TERROR is a scam, get it.

I guess not.


Well you haven't provided any references to back your claim that they are scams. What do you mean by "scam" anyway? It's a non-sense word for it's out of context.


Originally posted by marg6043
And stop insulting me with your military standing, because guess what I come from a military family hat has gave plenty of hero's that has die for this nation.


I'm familiar with your situation. I believe you've mentioned before that you were in Saudi Arabia. I wonder how your husband would have felt then if you constantly told him that there's no purpose for him (or both of you) being there? That's precisely what your doing when you say the things you say about Iraq. It undermines unity and American resolve and plays directly into the hands of "terrorists".


Originally posted by marg6043
So don't get me started there, Mr.


You atarted it with your lliberal nonsense


Originally posted by marg6043
How dare some bring the issue of service to try to win their sorry debates.


That is precisely what you're doing when you use "dying/dead soldiers" to make your political points



Originally posted by marg6043
We are all Americans, get it all Americans that only wants the well being of our nation.


That may be true; but your behavior is divisive and undermines our fight against terrorists. You should look for way to unite; not divide.

[edit on 10-11-2006 by Freedom_for_sum]



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum


Well you haven't provided any references to back your claim that they are scams. What do you mean by "scam" anyway? It's a non-sense word for it's out of context.


I don't have too, see nobody including you, can tell, what is the purpose of our troops dying in Iraq and for what, remember the reason our Republican run government took us to Iraq, rememer let me spell it for you, L-B-E-R-A-T-I-O-N not fighting terror that came after the invasion and how that happen? Can you explain.

I guess not.



I'm familiar with your situation. I believe you've mentioned before that you were in Saudi Arabia.


Wrong.



I wonder how your husband would have felt then if you constantly told him that there's no purpose for him (or both of you) being there? That's precisely what your doing when you say the things you say about Iraq. It undermines unity and American resolve and plays directly into the hands of "terrorists".


What terrorist? . . . you mean the ones before liberation or . . . after liberation when the borders were left open in Iraq so the war on terror could have some meaning and could be created.

Yes people tend to have short time memories . . . 9/11, Afghanistan. . . Iraq liberation from Saddam. . . Remember?



You atarted it with your lliberal nonsense


What is a liberal? yes . . . I remember, a person that follows a party that is a big spender, big government, and love to allow corruption in within their politicians, yes,

You mean the Republican party followers? Sorry I am not a liberal then.

Perhaps you can tell me why are our soldiers dying in Iraq after they did a superb take over of that nation with minimum casualties?

What are they dying for now that the liberation of the country from a tyrant like Saddam is over and they suppousely have a Democratic elected governemnt, why?



That may be true; but your behavior is divisive and undermines our fight against terrorists. You should look for way to unite; not divide.


Yes division comes when people can not work together after one political party elite wins over the other one.

You don't get it we are all Americans but our political system is broken and the parties in powers wants division within the population while they serve the same corrupted master . . . greed, power and profits.

I am not you enemy but that is how the powers in our nations wants us to believe so we can keep fighting each other.

Pity.



[edit on 10-11-2006 by marg6043]



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
...nobody including you, can tell, what is the purpose of our troops dying in Iraq and for what, remember the reason our Republican run government took us to Iraq, rememer let me spell it for you, L-B-E-R-A-T-I-O-N not fighting terror that came after the invasion and how that happen? Can you explain.


Everyone, including Democrats (Kerry et. al.) was certain Iraq possesed WMD's in the form of chemical weaponry and the additional concern was over whether Saddam Hussein was persuing nuclear technology. Reports from American and foreign intelligence sources confirmed that, at the very least, Iraq had Chemical weapons and, because Hussein refused to cooperate with inspectors, it was believed he was on his way toward enriching uranium and developing nuclear weapons facilities.

The concern (and the reason our soldiers are dying in Iraq) was that Hussein would likely provide Al Qaeda and others with WMD's to be used against western "enemies"; including Americans on US soil and abroad. This potential serious problem needed to be mitigated/prevented before[i/] it ever developed into WMD attacks against western allies and Americans. This provided two additional benefits: 1) It allows us to fight our enemies on another continent rather than on American/Allied soil; 2) A brutal dictator was emasculated and removed from power.

The current situation in Iraq with "insurgents" proves that, at the very least, this battle would have happened eventually anyway. The question is whether it was going to happen in your back yard or in someone else's. By going into Iraq when we did, the time and location of the fight are totally in our control. Just because it hasn't gone as well as it would be hoped (no war ever has) history will show that the decision to make this fight happen in Iraq was the proper one.

Using the argument "our soldiers are dying" to make a politcal point is a dangerous notion and completely undermines our resolve to win this battle. Whether you agree with this war or not; you do want to win; don't you? Just because you lack the will to win this battle doesn't mean I, or others, lack the will. I want to win and the only way this will happen is by letting our soldiers know that what they are doing has purpose and that this fight has to happen. I believe we are fighting for liberty and freedom--we're just fighting sooner rather than later and there's really little difference between Iraq and WWII.

In WWII, we had to go in and fight Germany to prevent an ugly ideology and brutal regime from winning power over Europe. Now, we're fighting an ugly ideology against brutal individuals who carry no flag or claim no country nor laws, other than Islam, as their own. It's a struggle that has to happen and the only way we'll win is if people understand the reason behind it. If we didn't fight Germany when we did, we might all be speaking German today.

I blame both liberals and the Bush administration for the argument over whether we should be in Iraq. I blame liberals because of their constant carping about the lack of purpose for being in Iraq; an argument whose sole purpose is to gain political power. And it is liberals/Democrats who constantly use the "dead and dying soldiers" argument to make their political points. And it comes at a cost. I blame the Bush administration because of their inability to effectively communicate to Americans the purpose for having this fight now.

I hope I've effectively communicated why our "soldiers are dying".



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
What terrorist? . . . you mean the ones before liberation or . . . after liberation


The same Islamists (terrorists) who murdered Marines in Beirut and Saudi Arabia; who murdered Americans when they attempted to blow up the WTC in 1993; who murdered sailors when they attempted to blow up the Cole. The same terrorists who kidnapped embassy workers and made them "guests" of Komeini; and who blew up a B747 over lockerbie Scottland killing several hundred people. The same Islamists who murdered almost 3000 people on 911. All of these happened before Iraq and all were unprovoked attacks; and all have a common theme: They were commited by Muslims from oppressive Islamic countries.



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 02:05 PM
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One fact freedom People dies all the time people die for greed and because elites govenrments, corrupted governments, dictatorship governments and feudal monarchies all in the pursue of power and domination.

But while this has been part of the history of the world one thing I hate the most, when the dying of troops and human beings caught in between comes from profeteers of war.

Yes islamofacist are a problem, terrorist has been a problem but mostly now with the influences of the US in the middle east and their backing up of Israel.

But is also the populations caught in the middle that are the ones left with most of the suffering.

But because they are not of the same religious views as the western most Americans do not care how they die or in what numbers.

But neverless they are dying.



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