quote]Originally posted by Outrageo
Uh, RR: So the US should abandon ship so you can sleep better knowing your step brother is cozy again. What does HE say about it? Didn't he
commit? Isn't he under any obligations? Do you even know if your step brother wants to bail on his men, on his country? Let's get HIM on the line
and ask him shall we?
In the meantime, go get some freedom fries and a cold Pepsi and chill in front of your free tv in comfort while the rest of those heroes keep you safe
and warm, kapish?
Take a moment RR and relish ignorance.
I supported going to Iraq under the circumstances we where actually doing something good for the region and our allies, that is to rid the country of
WMDs that we ourselves placed there to begin with. Infact we knew they did not have WMDs and the reason we are there seems lost in a world of
confusing allibys and confusing miscomunications.
Let me ask you this, Outrageo, il call you out because you called RR out. How did Iraq pose a threat to the physical wellbeing of the United States
of America, the worlds most powerful military that can respond any where in the world within days with a force strong enough to conquer entire
civilizations within days?? TELL ME! I want to know, i want to know where we fell apart, I want to know why we are so weak that a third world country
POSED A THREAT TO US! and damnit I want to know that regardless of us destroying a country, why we are obligated to stay there when they don't want
us there to begin with? Lets swallow our pride and admit we F'd up big time, lets be a man about it and admit our faults, give them economic aid and
hope they can pull together or split apart. Should our brave men and women stay and die daily for the sake that our president can keep his pride and
live in a fantasy realm where he is the savior of a people that despise him? .. your line of thought is confusing. And do explain why NATIONAL
GUARD/RESERVES need to be over there? .. since when is that a international invading force? Since when did we send weekend warriors to OCCUPY
COUNTRIES??.... remember Katrina.. rember the shortage of manpower and the slow response? .. would that had happen if our national guard units where
were they where supposed to be??? ... I doubt it.
We can wage wars for what ever reason we want, there is no standard of international law and there is no one to enforce it, how ever the government
does answer to the PEOPLE. Whether or not the Republicans put him in power, I voted for him, that does NOT mean we are SUBJECT to HIS desicions. No
friend that is NOT democracy. The people have found out it was a lie the government needs to back out, admit defeat as horrible as it is, we CANNOT
NATION BUILD. Armies destroy, they are symbols of power, destruction, force, death, imperialistic in nature. Armies go in and dismantle entire
regions, they can be used to defend an ally or take over a nation for economic gain. they do NOT build nations, over see new government, a government
expected to represent the people anyways. And it is especially hard to do in a region where the culture and religion is different then your own. But
you wouldn't care about that? .. You could give a damn about the views of those in which your government took over, the fact we destroyed a country.
We did not just assassinate a leader, we bombed, we wrecked havoc and we killed. Thousands. Now we sit on street corners, now we guard outpost, now
we escort politians, now we attempt to interviene in a civil war sparked by us dismantaling the power base.
Here is my opinion on attempting to give a foriegn people supressed by a leader powers and rights.
If a people of any given nation are to weak to rise up them selves and take power through use of politics or force form a minority or a majority, when
given the power freely with no personal sruggles and victory to relish in.. they will not have earned the right to govern themselves and will
ultimatly succumb to the very powers that where dismantled for them.
In other words, you cannot watch a kid trying to ride a bike for the first time, give him a ride on your handle bars and then expect that the kid will
then all of a sudden know how to keep his ballance and be able to ride solo.
And for a final thought, the fact that you are honestly affraid an arab will come to our country, into your neighbor hood and take away your way of
life is weak, it is cowardly, it shows no respect for your nations ability to defend its self and pure ignorance in not understanding why they fight
us to begin with.
Now, for RR. What we are seeing in America is a transitional phase, we are experiencing an identity crisis. The world was good during the Cold War,
we knew no one would honestly launch a nuke because it was mutual destruction. We honestly knew no one would attack us, and we knew we would never
attack Russia, all through mutual destruction. Now we are a super power, not a nation on earth or a nations combined together would ever compete with
our industrial power to produce warfare. That is an accomplishment, and so with our form of government and policies set in place in a different era
we are expanding, racing like a train to a dead end. We will grow and we will grow and the economy will expand through what ever means necesary until
we literally implode on our selves. Revolution, civil wars, tyranies and resistance movements. WE are not immune. We will perish like our ancestors
perished, our culture will expand and reach everyone until the world is sick of us, until they get so fed up of hearing about us no one wants to be
our friends anymore. We see it now, we see it everyday, we saw a third world nation call our president on our soil a devil. He insulted America, he
desicrated the sactity of power in which we wrap ourselves in. It doesnt seem that big of a deal but it shows something.....
They no longer fear us.
They didn't like us to begin with, we where EXACTLY like the USSR, we dominated, we destroyed cultures and implimented our own way of life which we
declare holy and pure and the only way. We talk to our European friends like children, we treat them like school boys, they have THOUSANDS of years
on us, we are the child and the world does not like a snot nosed brat with a big club bosing people around!
They no longer fear us.
They no longer respect us.
WE no longer respect our selves.
Our government shamed the face of this government many times in the past century, with the Vietnam war, with the proxy wars, with us supporting
various international factions and then turning on the.. and then the war in Iraq. It showed our incompitance, it showed our rage, it showed our
ignorance, it showed to the world we are on edge, we will strike any one any where WITH NO REGARD TO ALLIES. We boycotted the French for gods sake..
disgusting display of childish behavior.
Are the Democrats right? .. no.. god no.. they feed off our failures in an effort to change the government into their liking.
As RR rightfully put it, it does not matter who we actually place in power, we are through our golden age and it is down hill from here. Can we do
anything? .. sure, call up another constitutional convention and begin the process again, our current system is to embeded, it has its own traditions,
they have a base of power, the current system is here until the end.
Should you be sad? .. yeah, you should because the generations before you acted just like everyone else in history, arrogant and selfish.. we did
nothing new, we simply called our selves a new name with a mask and we acted exactly like we where expected to.