I thought you said some of the aircraft left persistent contrails which spread out to cover the sky?
I see that some are set to keep juggling thing around.
No Essan, it was a perfectly clear day, PRIOR to "persistent contrails" laid down by unmarked aircraft.
See, I was right. So it wasn't a cloudless blue sky.
No Essan, you are wrong. If take the time to read my posts please.
So you're saying something was sprayed in the upper atmosphere. It stayed in place for 5 hours (despite strong winds at that altitude) and
then suddenly settled directly down on the city. Presumably by this you mean the hazy cirrostratus cleared and a blue sky returned?
Are you in a sound mind?
Sure Essan, something floated in the air, then Martians showed up and abducted me to Vegas.
Can you read?
The cover did not stay in place for 5 hours, but dispersed into a blanket which covered the city. GRADUALLY.
And you know where you can stuff that "Presumably". As I stated earlier, I witness the even personally and over a couple of days, so if you care to
question my integrity, do it through U2U.
Oh iskander, tell us what doctors think there is some massive increase in respiratory ailments when plane fly over miles high?
None. No doctor will also state the increase in mentally disturbed patients claiming they've seen UFOs right after a 4th of July party.
firepilot, before being cynical, make the effort and look into things first, and until you put in the effort, you're just another heckler.
Do you actually think it anything was "sprayed" 6 miles over a city, that it would come down anywhere near it?
What comes up must go down, and if enough of it is dumped, I'm sure you'll agree that even with various wind currents, it will eventually succumb to
the laws of gravity.
I remember when "chemtrails" was first some internet conspiracy, it was about "low level" contrails that were a few hundred or thousand
feet over cities. There was never any evidence to support any of those claims, no photo or anything. Just people with absolutely no depth
firepilot, I see. You are the lazy type of skeptic, the type that wishes to be entertained with facts that other people muster up. Your type of
skeptics say "Not true, give me facts, feed me, feed me, mhoaaaa!!!!"
Sorry, I wont be "working" for you, put in your own time.
Then they moved onto "persistent" trails, which again they have no evidence for,
Who are they? All other type of bored "theorists"? I'm well aware you your mutual dynamic. The "theorists" continuously come up with utter
nonsense to entertain them selves, and then in turn the "lazy skeptics" entertain them selves by constantly shoving stick in EVERYBODY wheel.
firepilot, I've been there, done that, put in some WORK, and then maybe we'll talk.
Actually, a serious question for iskander:-
Did you think you were seeing chemtrails being sprayed striaght away? Or was it only after you and your wife felt ill that you began to suspect
that's what you'd seen?
Good question Essan.
I don't like jumping to conclusions, but I also never rule out what is not "popular belief".
No, my wife and I noticed the pattern of emerging contrails first. Among other things, both of us worked with all kinds of pattern recognition
problems, and just by laying out in the sun we both noticed the method behind such cover.
Time intervals between grid overlap absolutely could not have been accidental. So we started throwing ideas around just to get over it.
As always, the more possibilities are ruled out, the clearer the questions became.
Contrast between +/- 30 second contrail dissipation from jets coming to and from PDX, verses persistent cover emerging from jets that are holding to a
flight pattern which was not directional.
That's when the telescope came out. Ruined my lunch.
As I repeatedly stated earlier, initially the day was absolutely clear, yet by 5PM the sky became enveloped in a thick haze, which became thicker
towards sunset, and had a very distinct color separation.
Such typical sunset color separation (saturated) is not at all uncommon in LA, but happens after very heavy air pollution.
That we are used to, and typical pollution haze hangs at very low altitude, while what we saw in Portland DESCENDED on the city.
The first symptoms began occurring closer to 6pm, and felt like throat, bronchial and sinus irritation, followed by a deep headache. Exactly the same
as headaches from toxic fumes.
The pattern was the same, morning with clear skies, persisting contrails covering the sky in square grids by noon, more by about 8pm, the night is
covered in thick clouds which dissipate by morning, and the cycle repeats the next day.
By the third day Portland experienced the strongest wind storm in years.
But the question is: did these chemicals form sheets of cloud that hung around in the sky for hours?
I bet they didn't.
How do you know? You don't, but hey, it's always fun to deny things, it sure is as hell a lot easier then proving something, isn't it?
Hey, how easy is it to say, "Nope, don't believe it", rather then actually USING your brain and being constructive.
To each their own.
I too question everything, but I also do the work, and make up my own mind.
This is the kind of constructive effort I'm talking about;
it depends on particle size (if there are any) and metereological conditions, of course, nano particles for example are known to drift off into
nirvana unless their container is firmly sealed. these would not be visible, but condensation around them is another matter entirely.
Long Lance is on the right track.
dAlen described exactly what my wife and I saw for three days in a row in Portland.
I have a really good memory, and as a kid I always watched the sky, the clouds, and especially the jets and their contrails. Now take this into
account, unless I went senile all the sudden, the contrails I saw in Portland seem completely unusual to me, and actually caught my attention to the
point of irritation.
How many people here would be intrigued by a kids tricycle to the point of irritation for example?
Can anybody honestly say that they would think something like this; "Wow, what an unusually tricycle, I can not quite identify what it actually is,
it looks like a tricycle, but it's not, what is it?"
I simply could not recall a single memory of contrails like I saw in Portland, and I went on a trip down memory lane all the way back to my
Nothing. What I saw in Portland I have not seem before, it's as simple as that. What it is, I don't know, but I do know that it's not normal or
Seriously, remember your selves when you were kids, what are the possibilities of you not remembering a GIANT grid of squares in the sky?
You name it, tic-tac-toe, chess, checkers, and all other grid games imaginable would have been played by kids in the sky, and if such contrails
existed even 20 years ago, such "sky squares" games would have already been a part of our daily existence, like Monopoly and Mr. Potato head, yet
they are not.
It is beyond a shadow of a doubt that such persistent contrails are a new phenomena, but what they actually are is yet to be found.