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posted on Oct, 11 2006 @ 10:44 PM
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www.freedomdomain.com...

Came across this randomly. If these weapons are satalite based weapons could the metalic substances found in chem trails act to dissipate the EM discharge if aimed at ground based targets. Scalar has been known to cause mental distress as well.... possible link to the antidepressant craze? A war for sanity may be the only war we are really fighting.

The chemical blanket of poison has to be serving some purpose ..... possible shield?
what do you guys think?

[edit on 11-10-2006 by kinglizard]




posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 12:54 AM
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Well since neither chemtrails, nor scalar weapons exist in reality, it is a silly theory.



posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
Well since neither chemtrails, nor scalar weapons exist in reality, it is a silly theory.



You have evidence to bcak up those claims? I mean real evidence.



posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Well since neither chemtrails, nor scalar weapons exist in reality, it is a silly theory.



You have evidence to bcak up those claims? I mean real evidence.


It is not my job to prove a negative.

No evidence of that chemtrails are real has ever been presented. (see one of the other threads).

The same thing is true about scalar weapons.

In fact, the whole concept of scalar weapons is in complete in disagreement with over 100 years of physical laws and theories.

If scalar weapons existed, it would mean that Einstein was wrong.

The person who could prove that would win a Nobel prize at least.

Go for it.



posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by Jaypeth


The chemical blanket of poison has to be serving some purpose ..... possible shield?
what do you guys think?



No, it serves no purpose at all. It's produced by your cars and aircraft though ..... If you don't like it, why do you persist in creating it?

(most people refer to it as smog btw)



posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 07:48 PM
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Most accepted theorys, yall called me crazy when I said there was 12 planets (in my definitions, of somethats round and has a common rotation around the sun).... I am not even going to argue about these things anymore, becuase you people lack imagination and the ability to do real research anymore.



posted on Oct, 13 2006 @ 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz
Most accepted theorys, yall called me crazy when I said there was 12 planets (in my definitions, of somethats round and has a common rotation around the sun)


By your definition there are at least a couple of dozen plantets and still counting .....



posted on Oct, 15 2006 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
Well since neither chemtrails, nor scalar weapons exist in reality, it is a silly theory.



Interestingly a few people disagree with you and here is what a few educated and political figures have to say.



"Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."

DoD News Briefing
Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen



FBIS Transcribed Text] MOSCOW. Aug 8 (Interfax) - The Russian State
Duma has expressed concern about the United States' program to develop a
qualitatively new type of weapon.
"Under the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), the
U.S. is creating new integral geophysical weapons that may influence the
near-Earth medium with high-frequency radio waves," the State Duma said
in an appeal circulated on Thursday.
"The significance of this qualitative leap could be compared to the
transition from cold steel to fire arms, or from conventional weapons to
nuclear weapons. This new type of weapons differs from previous types in
that the near-Earth medium becomes at once an object of direct influence
and its component.

FAS-Russian parliament concerned about US plans to develop new weapon.


WSJ-Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones


NEWS BRIEF: "Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones"
by Chen May Yee,
Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal
Thursday, November 13, 1997, page A19.

"KULA LUMPUR -- Malaysia's war on smog is about to get a new twist. The government wants to create man-made cyclones to scrub away the haze that has plagued Malaysia since July. 'We will use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air', said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister for science, technology and the environment. The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones -- the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes -- to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to produce the cyclone."

"Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or the mechanism. 'The details I don't have', he said. He did say, though, that the cyclone generated would be 'quite strong'. Datuk Law also declined to disclose the price of creating the cyclone. But, he said, Malaysia doesn't have to pay if the project doesn't work."

BBC-Malaysia calls in Russian rainmakers



"Pick up any text book on hurricanes and it will tell you that the one place where hurricanes do not occur is the South Atlantic Ocean. The atmosphere does not provide enough spin near the surface to get them started and winds higher in the atmosphere tend to shear off any that do make a start. Hence, it was with some amazement that meteorologists watched the first ever recorded hurricane develop off the coast of Brazil in the last week of March."

Uk weather service-Catarina hits Brazil



"The director of the Russian geophysical observatory of the Russian Meteorological Service, A.Voyeikov, says that the process of making a weather forecast for Russia, the USA, Europe and Canada is much more complicated in comparison with other states. "Atmospheric processes are not stable on these territories, and cyclones may occur absolutely incidentally," Voyeikov said."

Pravda-Modern technologies unable to predict weather changes



American meteorologists are not the only ones who blame the neighbors for using the "hurricane gun." Unconfirmed and patchy reports on questionable experiments with weather conducted by the U.S. and Soviet Union stirred up a number of political scandals in many countries of the world. Following a large-scale flooding in Europe in 2002, some European politicians put the blame on the "U.S. military" for disrupting EU economy. In 2002, Committee for Defense of the Russian Duma raised the issue about a detrimental impact on climate caused by experiments involving disturbance of the earth's ionosphere and magnetosphere. The deputies focused their attention on HAARP system that is still under construction in Alaska.

USA and Russia supposedly develop secret meteorological weapons.



"As the heat wave continues to fry Greater Toronto, residents are left with a burning question: Why has this summer been so hot and humid?
The answer is anything but simple."No one wants to answer that question because none of us really knows," said Ellen Wall, a professor of environmental sciences at the University of Guelph.

What is clear, say meteorologists, is that air from the south produces warm weather, while air from the north results in cool weather. Unlike last summer, when lots of northerly air flew over Toronto, most of the air this summer has its roots in the Gulf of Mexico and the pollution-thick Ohio valley, said David Phillips, a senior climatologist with Environment Canada.
This southerly air explains the warm temperatures, said Phillips.
What is not known is why the high-pressure system that has hovered over Toronto in recent weeks, resulting in week-after-week of record-breaking heat, has refused to budge."

Toronto Star-Why is this summer so hot?



Although hurricane forecasting is an inexact science, an investigative series by The Miami Herald suggests it could be considerably more accurate if the National Hurricane Center's equipment functioned better and its research efforts were bolstered.
The newspaper's study of 45 hurricanes that have struck land since 1992 indicated significant failures of buoys, weather balloons, radar, sensors and aircraft that hindered the tracking of nearly half of the storms. Forecasters are, in the words of one science officer, "forecasting blind'' because of inadequate funding and -- to a lesser extent -- misallocation of resources.
Budget constraints that grounded the center's uniquely equipped Gulfstream jet, coupled with critical data lost because of computer crashes, may have caused forecasters to fail to predict damage from Hurricane Katrina in South Florida and delayed evacuation warnings to New Orleans. Missing weather balloon readings, malfunctioning observation stations and a failure to fly planes equipped to measure wind speeds may have contributed to an inability to anticipate the power of Hurricane Charley when it shifted course and slammed into Punta Gorda, Fla., killing 35 people.
Hurricane researcher Mike Black told Herald reporter Debbie Cenziper that putting proper equipment in place could improve hurricane tracking by 20 percent and intensity forecasts by 50 percent. That could save lives and many times the needed outlay in economic losses, especially in an era of increased hurricane activity.
Congress needs to set aside more money for hurricane forecasting, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration needs to do a better of allocating resources.

Indystar-Forecasting trouble.


So why when the weather is getting stranger and stranger has the US government chosen to not provide funds to track what might be happening? Is it possible that there simply is not point in trying to track stuff that are not longer caused by natural weather patterns?

That's obviously what i think and i have far more information where this comes from.

Stellar



posted on Oct, 15 2006 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
t is not my job to prove a negative.


Your job , apparently , is to rain on as many parades as you can without giving much consideration as to the current state of the weather ( reality).


No evidence of that chemtrails are real has ever been presented. (see one of the other threads).



The highly persistent trail is entirely inconsistent with the trends of identified trails observed this day. These highly persistent trails have a persistence more conveniently measured in minutes or hours, as opposed to seconds. The length of persistence of these trails has not been accurately measured due to the fact that they persist for longer than can be observed from a given location. It would be necessary to utilize a vehicle to follow these trails and produce such a measurement, however one highly persistent trail was timed at over 5 hours. This particular measurement was limited by line-of-sight visibility, the actual persistence was longer.

Summary of Results

The goal of this research was to determine if there was a type of trail that was inconsistent with normal contrails, especially with regard to increased persistence. What was found is that highly persistent trails that last for many hours were seen above Houston, TX on a majority (60%) of observable days during the data collection period. However during this time period none of the 46 Flight Explorer confirmed contrails observed persisted for over 30 minutes and most contrails were under 30 seconds of persistence. Additionally it was discovered that the jets that were responsible for leaving highly persistent trails that last for hours did not ever appear on Flight Explorer and were documented for 8 separate instances, including one instance with two jets in formation. These unidentifiable jets were found to produce a contrail that was consistent with confirmed contrails during the periods when they weren't leaving highly persistent trails. Highly persistent trails are often seen in the form of isolated relatively short strips, as well as large areas of cirrus aviaticus clouds, but on rare occasions have been seen in totally unique grid and wheel formations.

It is hoped that others will endeavor to repeat these observations and publish their results. By repeating the basic observations for persistence length and whether the flight appears on Flight Explorer, it will be seen whether or not a trend emerges confirming the existence of a unique category of trail. Atmospheric differences due to higher moisture and colder temperatures in different locations will produce greater maximum persistence observed for identifiable traffic. For those in locations with greatest contrailing potential, the task of collecting data on highly persistent trails from unidentifiable flights will be hardest.

www.chemtrailcentral.com...


www.weatherwars.info... for the evidence in picture format.


The same thing is true about scalar weapons.



"Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes [eb]remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."

DoD News Briefing
Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen


Scalar waves are EM waves to simplify the issue just about as much as it can be.


In fact, the whole concept of scalar weapons is in complete in disagreement with over 100 years of physical laws and theories.


Only if you do not really know much about physics.


If scalar weapons existed, it would mean that Einstein was wrong.


Einstein's GR WAS wrong so at least you got that much right!


The person who could prove that would win a Nobel prize at least.

Go for it.


At least a few people already have but winning nobel prizes can hardly change scientific consensus when such is not derived from observation of reality. Scientist are people ( and i would say less open minded than most individuals) after all and once they have made up their minds and decided what interest they will serve , protecting their jobs and reputations, few things short of death will change their minds or allow them to make honest comments in public.

You have much to learn and if you stick around, this time, i can help with that.

Stellar

[edit on 17-10-2006 by StellarX]



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 01:41 AM
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A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves


wdited to highlight what is IMHO the most important line , which puts the entire paragraph in context .

was he actually talking about a real threat , or just continuing his monologue on the dangers of false threats and scare mongering ?

if he was talking about a real threat - then where is the follow up to it ? what research / defence strategies have been adopted -- in any country

and more important -- if thiese technologies were extant in 1997 , and in the hands of americas enemies -- why have they not been used ?

can you cite one credible report of thier use ???

he was talking about false threats , just my 0.02 groats -- but its telling that a single line from 9 years ago iof questionable context is all you can quote as evidence .



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 05:00 AM
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And nothing you posted gives any evidence that aircraft contrails are anything else
than contrails. "Chemtrails" is just an internet circle jerk of people with absolutely
no knowledge of aviation, aircraft navigation principles, or meteorology giving stupid speculation on how airlines, or is it the military, is spraying us with any of the following

AIDS, SARS, blood cells, cold virus, barium, aluminum, "chemgoo", etc etc, all from 30000 - 50000 ft, by running it thru the engines of transport category aircraft.



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
dited to highlight what is IMHO the most important line , which puts the entire paragraph in context .


And that's why it's hard to take you seriously. If you cant even read the entire piece why bother objecting to it? Insane is what it is.


Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.

www.defenselink.mil...



FBIS Transcribed Text] MOSCOW. Aug 8 (Interfax) - The Russian State
Duma has expressed concern about the United States' program to develop a
qualitatively new type of weapon.
"Under the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), the
U.S. is creating new integral geophysical weapons that may influence the
near-Earth medium with high-frequency radio waves," the State Duma said
in an appeal circulated on Thursday.
"The significance of this qualitative leap could be compared to the
transition from cold steel to fire arms, or from conventional weapons to
nuclear weapons. This new type of weapons differs from previous types in
that the near-Earth medium becomes at once an object of direct influence
and its component.

FAS-Russian parliament concerned about US plans to develop new weapon.


So the Russians are worried and the American defense secretary admits the reality of it but clearly we must all be crazy as this just does not figure into your current assumed reality.



was he actually talking about a real threat , or just continuing his monologue on the dangers of false threats and scare mongering ?


You tell me based on the little bit you decided not to read or mention.


if he was talking about a real threat - then where is the follow up to it ? what research / defence strategies have been adopted -- in any country


Chemtrails is imo how the American defense establishment keeps track of Russian scalar weapon activity thus seeing what their intent is and what to do about it with their own HAARP type systems.

The next thee articles are all related,imo, and do keep in mind that the Alaska HAARP facility is located near Fairbanks.

Austin American-Statesmen-Unexplained power surge west coast


Full text from another site

SAN FRANCISCO - An unexplained power surge in the West Coast's main
electrical transmission line caused blackouts and other power power
disruptions across eight Western states early Wednesday, shutting down a
nuclear plant and forcing doctors to operate by flashlight.

As many as two million customers from Arizona to Washington went without
power for periods ranging from a few seconds to several hours when a
stretch of the giant 500-kilovolt Pacific power grid went dead just after
midnight.

The blackout darkened the homes of 1 million California customers and
interrupted power to patches of Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Oregon, Washington,
Idaho and Montana.

An initial inspection showed no breaks in the section where the trouble
began, a 60-mile line between Tracy and Fresno in California's Central
Valley.

"We believe it was a power surge from outside our service area, and a
substation tripped to prevent an overloading of our system, just as a
circuit breaker would do in your house," said Bill Sessa, Pacific Gas &
Electric Co. spokesman.


And if one looks at the graph below you can see that the timing of this black out corresponds with the initial testing of the HAARP facility.

HAARP Program Milestones


The world's biggest battery was plugged in yesterday to provide emergency power to one of the United States' most isolated cities.

The rechargable battery, which at 2,000 square metres is bigger than a football pitch and weighs

Uk Telegraph-World's biggest battery switched on in Alaska.


What's the odds of the worlds largest battery being so close to the HAARP facility by shear coincidence?


and more important -- if thiese technologies were extant in 1997 , and in the hands of americas enemies -- why have they not been used ?


So you really believe all the strange weather is due to 'global warming' and that global warming only happens in some countries? That's interesting as it really makes very little sense when some critical thinking is involved...


can you cite one credible report of thier use ???


Define credible? It's strange how everything becomes hard to believe when you do not already believe it. Few question if they did much critical thinking before accepting what they now believe.


he was talking about false threats , just my 0.02 groats -- but its telling that a single line from 9 years ago iof questionable context is all you can quote as evidence .


It's telling how even seeing a white duck does not change your belief that all ducks are black. Do you really want to learn anything new or are you just here to defend what you believed before you found this site? I can give you very extensive evidence of the employment of these weapons but if you have no interest in considering them fairly ( as seems to be your goal) how will i get anywhere with you?

Stellar

[edit on 16-10-2006 by StellarX]



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by firepilot
And nothing you posted gives any evidence that aircraft contrails are anything else
than contrails.


So can i take it to mean that you consider the information provided on the report i cited as a complete fabrication? Should i assume that the pictures of these trails on Weather wars is in your opinion just regular stuff that has always been around? It's good that you can make up your mind about a issue but don't expect me to back off if you can't defend it.


"Chemtrails" is just an internet circle jerk of people with absolutely
no knowledge of aviation, aircraft navigation principles, or meteorology giving stupid speculation on how airlines, or is it the military, is spraying us with any of the following


Well there are many of those people who observe something that is clearly not normal but then come to the wrong conclusion...


AIDS, SARS, blood cells, cold virus, barium, aluminum, "chemgoo", etc etc, all from 30000 - 50000 ft, by running it thru the engines of transport category aircraft.



Well the colours observed in the areas where these trails appear does not seem normal at all so while i do not believe their spreading the other stuff( it's more efficient to put those in water or spread them by vaccine's and the like) i do believe there are metallic components in these chemtrails.

Stellar



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 02:02 PM
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I'm confused, my basic understanding of physics dictates that scalar means anywhere with no specific direction, so how are there scalar weapons?

Shattered OUT...



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 02:28 PM
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Thanks for the input guys. I can further my research through links posted from skeptics
and those of us who choose to examine the subject objectively.



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
I'm confused, my basic understanding of physics dictates that scalar means anywhere with no specific direction, so how are there scalar weapons?

Shattered OUT...


That is a good question.

The answer depends on which kook you ask.

Note that Stellar's definition of scalar is not the same as Bearden's or many others that post here as well.

Kind of like with chemtrails. When cornered, just redefine your terms.



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 03:17 PM
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Yes, nothing you listed is EVIDENCE of a vast aerial spraying program, using military and or airliner transport size aircraft.

Colors? You think colors in the sky is evidence of chemtrails?? You remind me of those chemmies who talk about "oily sheen", yet have no idea of the difference between refraction and reflection.

Do you get scared when you see rainbows too? Ice crystals can do the same thing.



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
The answer depends on which kook you ask.

Note that Stellar's definition of scalar is not the same as Bearden's or many others that post here as well.


As i said clearly i tried to break it down to it's simplest form( for your benefit as i noticed how you struggled dealing with new concepts&princples in the past) and in that form scalar weapons are basically EM weapons. Since i base this in large part on Beardens work ( as you should know by now) it's surprising that you think this was the way to undermine my position for apparent lack of better ideas.


Kind of like with chemtrails. When cornered, just redefine your terms.


Well it really would be far simpler if they just told us what exactly was in the spray and what was important enough to require such a vast effort on national level. It's just very surprising that people will believe claims about man made global warming inspired storms and strange weather but simply freak out when anyone suggest man made interference with the weather by other means. So basically we have the industrial and technological capacity to affect global weather patterns but only by complete accident?

I know it's easier to believe that everything is 'A-OK' but when you live in Cuba or North Korea and you have repeated cycles of draughts , while crops are trying to grow, broken only by massive downpours , during times when whatever survive the draught can be harvested, would you not get suspicious when this happens year after year as if by design? There are just too many freak 'coincidences' ( especially when your country is officially not liked by the the American government) happening in too many countries to write it off against simple bad luck (weather).

Stellar



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by StellarX
As i said clearly i tried to break it down to it's simplest form( for your benefit as i noticed how you struggled dealing with new concepts&princples in the past)


The other defensive strategy, launch the ad hominem attack.






posted on Oct, 17 2006 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark

The other defensive strategy, launch the ad hominem attack.



Howard even a person with very little imagintion should be able to appreciate your comment! That really is the pot calling the kettle black.
I cant hardly believe it after the way you guys work your arguments when a point is raised that you cannot counterpoint.





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