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Originally posted by mrwupy
I would not watch it on 56k.
It's about chemtrails and is interesting, but not worth the time it would take to D/L on that slow a speed.
Sorry
Originally posted by mrwupy
The discussion is:
"ChemTrails for defense against space based Scalar Weapons"
Please remain on topic and stop the personal accusations. For those who do not understand this:
wupy
So there is more variance in aircraft size now then there has ever been in the past.
I know the truth, so you do the math.
I gave links that show the sizes of some of these aircraft, look them up yourself.
that a 737’s main gear wheels are exposed and appear as two black circles on the bottom of the plane
At high altitude, with both having 4 engines, I find this very difficult to believe.
I have seen patterns exactly like this in the air over my old house which was north of the traffic pattern for TIA/TPA, and yeah they stay in the air and become clouds. I also know from having worked for years at that airport, that there is nothing being sprayed form those aircraft. So how do you explain that?
The top aircraft in this picture looks to me like it has a possible third trail, so I am going to guess that it is a L1011, possibly a DC-10. The bottom aircraft looks more like an MD-80 to me. The reason I am pretty sure that the second plane is an MD-80/DC-9 is that there is no gap in the contrail as the engines are so close together on the tail. However, again its almost impossible to tell when they are at that altitude, unless you can see their light patterns and even then a lot of the new aircraft have the exact same pattern.
So are you claiming that these aircraft are at similar altitude?
The point is, that what you are seeing are called flight banks. This means that the sky is clear and that airports are mostly empty, then within an hour every gate in the airport fills up, dozens of flights all arrive and leave at the same time. The reason for this is that flights need to make connections and in order for stuff to go from one plane to the next they all have to be on the ground at roughly the same time.
Let me show you something:
If you think that your seeing a lot of trails in those photos, then take a look at how much traffic even two mid sized airports can generate in a day.
How many guesses do you want on which engine is going to produce a bigger, more voluminous contrail?
An engine with a 3 or 4 foot diameter or an engine with a 7 to 10 foot diameter?
Besides the obvious difference in altitude in this picture, that is the second relevant factor in the difference in these two contrails.
These images are very strange indeed, i'm sure someone will argue that wind drift distributed these err trails in a way that made them appear as a grid, but why don't they extend above oceans??
Do you think that any contrails you see around PDX should only be aircraft going to/from PDX?
Actually any contrails you see are probably planes not going into and out of there, or else they would be most likely descending to land or climbing after takeoff. Planes overflying PDX as part of their route, and are at cruise altitudes, are the ones most likely leaving contrails.
You do know you can look at flightaware.com and see aircraft overhead, since it uses an ATC feed?
priceless - you specifically asked fro " persistant contrail images " and that is exactly what you got
look carefully at them again -- particularly the shot of the VX777 prototupe -- that cloud above its fin is idential to what chemtrail proponents identify as a " spreading persistent chemtrail residue "
yes - the b-17 image is artfull - because of the 100s of thousands availiable -- the illustration editor of the book chose it as a 1/2 page image
your casual dismissal of images that were exactly what you requested is dishonest handwaving
you are simply moving the goal posts to allow yourself to pretend that valid evidence is inadmissible .
shame on you .
Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Originally posted by mrwupy
The discussion is:
"ChemTrails for defense against space based Scalar Weapons"
Please remain on topic and stop the personal accusations. For those who do not understand this:
wupy
Thanks.. I had a pertinent question on page 2, which nobody has touched as of yet, but this became a titanic struggle over whether chemtrails exist or not which is not at issue in the theme this thread addresses.
The best way to put an end to chemtrails is to learn more about aviation, meteorology and how aircraft navigate.
You will notice that people who believe in chemtrails are not knowledgeable regarding any of those, and those who are knowledgeable about those, do not believe in chemtrails.
Chemtrails believers get scared if aircraft fly down similar airways, they get scared if planes fly intersecting airways, they get scared if the exhaust causes ice crystals in rarified air at -50, they get scared if said ice crystals cause refraction.
Nope, because I have personally seen chemtrail believers make issue of all of those claims. Chemtrails, and "scalar" are just both nonsense.
I have seen people make chemtrail claims because of planes flying down the same path, or in aviation speak, an "airway".
Claims have been made because intersecting contrails were suspicious.
Why does people who believe in chemtrails, have problems with ice formation at high altitudes, or think that if ice crystals cause refraction, that it is somekind of "oily sheen"?
I work in a field of aviation that involves both piloting, and meteorological knowledge, very much involving the icing process of water at freezing temps. I have never seen anything a chemtrail believer saw that was suspicious to me.
As far as who and why when it comes to scalar weapons. Most likely the USA, the Russian federation and the bulk of western European nations. The true purpose and intent of Scalar weapons may have been lost to the cold war, however thier usefulness and avalibility justlfy the means to broaden the scope of thier application through expierimentation.
Jaypeth, interesting views. Please go into it further, I would like to know more about your views on various Scalar projects.
Originally posted by iskander
Because until "ice formation" begin to naturally form with an "oily sheen", they are NOT ice formations by the very definition.
LOGIC, the antidote to delusion.
Originally posted by iskander
Here we go again, so would you think that telling a 4 engine aircraft from a twin engine is a relatively straight forward process?
Originally posted by iskander
What are you a prophet?
Originally posted by iskander
you are the one who doubts that altitude can be calculated by a simple individual with out access to a radar station.
Originally posted by iskander
defcon5, my apologies, but it is evident that your are still missing the point here. In order to calculate approximate altitude all one needs is the approximate WINGSPAN of the airplane in question.
Originally posted by iskander
Follow me on this one, given a KNOWN wingspan, and by using information I've already posted, make an effort and try to figure out how it all works before posting more irrelevant information.
Originally posted by iskander
Oh for GODS SAKE, defcon5, please use FIND command in your browser, and type in TELESCOPE, and TRIPOD. When you find those words in my previous post, put it all together.
Originally posted by iskander
You are asking me to explain you? How would I do that? I don't know you, so naturally I can't speak about you, because that would be an assumption.
I don't know what you did at the airport, and how you know for a fact that nothing is being sprayed. All of that is actually up to you to explain.
Originally posted by iskander
Man, you sure can see a lot form a low rez picture.
Originally posted by iskander
Assuming again? defcon5, it looks like it's a bit of a habit with you. Thinking is a better habit, and a healthier one.
Originally posted by iskander
Gee, thanks a lot for bringing more irrelevance to this discussion.
How many of those flights reach 30k and how many are commuter hoppers?
Originally posted by iskander
You can see engine size on that picture?
Originally posted by iskander
defcon5, once again, please take the time to figure out how discern assumption from logic.
Originally posted by iskander
How is the difference in altitude so obvious?
Originally posted by iskander
Could it be distance? Meaning could the plane with shorter trail be simply farther away, in horizontal plane?
Originally posted by iskander
Going back to the ranging issue, did you have time to look into it yet?
Originally posted by iskander
Do I find it strange that you are able to subconsciously justify what ever is occurring in your line of work? Not at all, but when you as a self proclaimed professional clearly state that ice can naturally form with an "oily sheen", I have to question the very nature of your position.
I for one not aware that cirrus can naturally form with an "oily sheen".
Beautiful, and it would be more so if it were natural. No this isn't just the natural refraction of water ice by sunlight. Yes, there is some of this occurring, but the colors are refractions of Ba & Al--- Barium and Aluminum the metallic content of these contrail flights.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
From the first link in that last post:
I need to look no further
then that to conclude that the author of that page is a glorified idiot.