Osama Bin Laden Planning More Destructive Attacks in U.S.

Originally posted by DickBinBush

I never said that terrorism doesn't exist. I just think that they aren't capable of striking us. That's why I believe 9/11 was done by our government and that's why I think the next attack will be too. The government has too much to GAIN by these events. It's hard to label them as innocent.

If you want to believe that go ahead, but it is just your opinion, and the opinion of some other people, it does not make it true.

Many people around the world are blind as the the events that happen elsewhere. Islamic terrorism exists all over the world...to the extent that even Chirac has said they will use nuclear weapons in retaliation for any terrorist attack.

The government has nothing to gain from this, and in fact the contrary could be the same, look at what happened in Spain, a high percentage of people were so afraid of Islamic terrorists that they changed their votes for a socialist party instead of voting for "El Partido Popular", which is the party in Spain that wins most of the times the elections.

Anyways, we are discussing what Hamid Mir is saying, if you have any information that refutes what he is saying then present it. But let's stay on topic please.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Sad thing is...if they bring back a look-alike...it will be all that s needed for Bush backers to call it a done deed.

Do you actually have any substantial evidence to prove this?

Originally posted by dgtempe
Muaddib, no this president cannot be re-elected (not that he ever was) and what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? He could very well stay the dictator due to some unfortunate problem in the US. Wouldnt that be great???
I hope i can use your boat- i'd be doing some sailing....to Cuba, maybe.

Sorry to break it to you again DG but he was elected, and he was re-elected by a large portion of U.S. citizens.. You alone are not the voice of all the people in the U.S., neither, am I, nor is all of ATS. The fact is that he was elected whether you want to scream and yell that he wasn't.

If you want to go back to Cuba go ahead, as I have said to you many times I think you were too small when you left CUba, and you have forgotten the reason why your parents brought you here.

Anyways, do you have any evidence to dismiss what Hamid Mir is saying?

[edit on 21-9-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
If you want to believe that go ahead, but it is just your opinion, and the opinion of some other people, it does not make it true.

I know it doesn't make it true, but then again, supporters of the official story don't make that any more true than mine and others' stories.

The government has nothing to gain from this

The government had everything to gain. Stage an attack on it's own people to create public support and justification for war in Afghanistan where there was an oil pipeline deal gone bad because of the corrupt government, the Taliban. You go in, take them out, run around shooting some terrorists, set up your pipeline, make your money, while robbing the rights of americans as layed out by the constitution, your already buried in the middle east..so what's next? Forge intelligence to go into Iraq, cha ching, more oil..more money. Now, a new attack, since we're "long overdue". It's big, devistating, destructive. You can now empose martial law. Set up concentration camps for "anti government" civilians and terrorists. You get your dream to nuke the middle east and destroy the very oil supply you wanted because they are standing in your way of having it so you figure, if you cant have it, neither can they. A new attack also bails us out on the Iraq situation. It all makes sense if you sit down and read the evidence.

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by dgtempe
Sad thing is...if they bring back a look-alike...it will be all that s needed for Bush backers to call it a done deed.

Do you actually have any substantial evidence to prove this?

Originally posted by dgtempe
Muaddib, no this president cannot be re-elected (not that he ever was) and what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? He could very well stay the dictator due to some unfortunate problem in the US. Wouldnt that be great???
I hope i can use your boat- i'd be doing some sailing....to Cuba, maybe.

Sorry to break it to you again DG but he was elected, and he was re-elected by a large portion of U.S. citizens.. You alone are not the voice of all the people in the U.S., neither, am I, nor is all of ATS. The fact is that he was elected whether you want to scream and yell that he wasn't.

If you want to go back to Cuba go ahead, as I have said to you many times I think you were too small when you left CUba, and you have forgotten the reason why your parents brought you here.

Anyways, do you have any evidence to dismiss what Hamid Mir is saying?

[edit on 21-9-2006 by Muaddib]

Looks like we have a Bush lover on our hands..

OBL was trained by the CIA when he was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. He has had kidney disease since at least before 911 and has received dialysis for it. The night before and the day of 9/11, he was in the hospital getting dialysis. Check out this site:
globalresearch.ca

It's an extremely reliable source, Michael Chussodovsky is a former high level NSA guy with alot of inside contacts. There is an article all about OBL's health, etc.
I don't think he'd be able to survive in a cave with a kidney dialysis machine, much too large, even the portable ones. He's either dead by now or too weak to be very effective.

At least four of the "hijackers" have been discovered alive in Europe, iirc. Doesn't seem that they were all killed, huh? Must mean our govt lied to us then, huh?

They knew about what 15 minutes after the last attack that it was OBL, how did they arrive at that conclusion so quickly, especially if they had "no prior warning", which they did, there are memos and documents that prove that at the very least it was Bush and Condi Rice who had a number of warnings of 9/11.

Our very own foreign policy also states that we need a Pearl Harbor type of attack (this is almost verbatim) in order to mobilize the country to war. It was written by the think tank PNAC and became our official foreign policy. It was written BEFORE 9/11. Do you not see any kind of possible connection there? Gee, what a coincidence that they were hoping for such an event and it actually happened.

I think there are too many holes in the "official story" to be true, too many discrepancies, etc. Anyone who believes the official story is accepting the govt's story without digging very deeply into unbiased sources with good investigative journalists. These folks usually don't actually read any other news sources but the ones that spout propaganda.

We have Operation Northwoods and Pearl Harbor to prove to us that our govt has actually not only allowed foreign attacks on U.S. soil, but the CIA wanted to kill our own U.S. citizens as well and would have, had they not been stopped.

next thing you know, they'll be canceling flights due to a terrorism threat...

oh wait, they've done that...

next thing you know, some foreign power will say "We've got nukes, what are you going to do about it" ...and fire them off into the ocean...

oh wait, that's happened too...

I guess the final piece of the puzzle is to set off a nuclear bomb inside the US...or at least say that there are plans to do so...

oh wait, that's kind of happening now....

BE AFRAID BE AFRAID BE AFRIAD....OSAMA....TERROR.....HIJACKER....NUCLEAR BOMB.....AVIAN FLU......PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN.....

fear is the mind killer.....

Originally posted by forestlady
OBL was trained by the CIA when he was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. He has had kidney disease since at least before 911 and has received dialysis for it. The night before and the day of 9/11, he was in the hospital getting dialysis. Check out this site:
globalresearch.ca

actually, Bin Laden was not trained by the CIA and he was not even well liked or respected by the afghans. His band of "afhgan arabs" were unwanted and deemed dangerous as they were not trained and not very good at the type of fighting that was going on.

It was only after he returned to Afghanistan and the Taliban, begrudgingly accepted him, that he began working with the freedom fighters that we helped arm. The Taliban, as a favor to the Saudi Royals, let Bin Laden return with the promise that he wouldn't commit acts of terror against Saudi interests and he wouldn't continue with his press conferences.

It was shortly after he returned that he held the press conference where he declared war on the US, breaking his promise to the Taliban but several events took place that resulted in Bin Laden gaining their favor. Mostly to do with money and fighting with the Northern Alliance.

Originally posted by DickBinBush


And if you believe Al Qaeda is as dangerous as you're trying to make them out to be, and they are apparently so capable of attacking us, tell me then, why didn't Al Qaeda hit us again when we were "ripe for it"? Why haven't there been attacks for five years? Oh!! Here's an idea..BECAUSE THEY NEVER HAD THE CAPABILITY TO ATTACK US IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

Wake up dude

This is flat ignorant. If the US wanted to scare us, the CIA would have run an op within 6 months of 9/11 and would have instilled martial law. Instead, they create the DHS who has stopped attacks and does so everyday so you can sit at home and post to the internet. You need to wake up and grow up a bit a learn that there is no black and white, there is only grey. I truly hope that your hometown is not one of the next hit. It would be irony but I would hate to see anyone hurt... Nice info crakuer....

[edit on 22-9-2006 by esdad71]

Originally posted by esdad71
I truly hope that your hometown is not one of the next hit. It would be irony but I would hate to see anyone hurt... Nice info crakuer....

I wouldn't wish anyone's town being hit but I think that, unless they live in NYC or DC, the odds are much much slimmer so you can make that joke.

With regards to the info, check out Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. It gives an amazing accound of how the CIA helped the mujhadeen bring the russians to their knees. If you don't want to read it, Tom Hanks was supposed to be signed on to play Charlie but this was a couple of years ago and the author is no longer a client so I don't know the status on that.

Also check out The Looming Tower. Can't recall the author but the book is on the shelves now. Details the origins of Al Qaeda, and gives a very extensive background on Bin Laden, Zawahiri, Islamic fundamentalists in general and you even get to read about all the moronic red tape and grandstanding by the various gov't divisions that allowed 9/11 to happen. This one is not as well written (found some truly baffling grammatical errors) but it is very interesting nonetheless.

esdad, it could be argued that the CIA did attack us after 9/11. The anthrax attacks. Then they work to continue to keep us in fear while 'proving' that the current administration can keep us safe until they want to do something else. Like, oh I don't know, attack Iran? And then they pull something else off to gain license for that act. Just conjecture, I know.

Originally posted by esdad71

Originally posted by DickBinBush


And if you believe Al Qaeda is as dangerous as you're trying to make them out to be, and they are apparently so capable of attacking us, tell me then, why didn't Al Qaeda hit us again when we were "ripe for it"? Why haven't there been attacks for five years? Oh!! Here's an idea..BECAUSE THEY NEVER HAD THE CAPABILITY TO ATTACK US IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

Wake up dude

This is flat ignorant. If the US wanted to scare us, the CIA would have run an op within 6 months of 9/11 and would have instilled martial law. Instead, they create the DHS who has stopped attacks and does so everyday so you can sit at home and post to the internet. You need to wake up and grow up a bit a learn that there is no black and white, there is only grey. I truly hope that your hometown is not one of the next hit. It would be irony but I would hate to see anyone hurt... Nice info crakuer....

[edit on 22-9-2006 by esdad71]

Wow..

It's so pointless arguing with you "official story" believers. You ignore all facts pointing against you and make your stupid little statements based on no facts and think you are actually getting somewhere with the people that know the truth. You're so hard headed that you can't even have a civilized debate about the topic, you just jump to conclusions and think you're right automatically. So, if you'd like to believe that you win this debate, fine, but when..WHEN another attack happens just the way we are saying it will, hopefully you'll be the one to grow up a little and realize how very wrong you were.

Just because another attack happens will not make you correct Dick. I am an official story believer also and have trouble coming to terms with the idea that our own government perpetrated the events of 9/11. I do have an open mind though and am not closed off to the fact that our government could and would invent situations to further thier cause; however I just dont the enough evidence to prove otherwise in this situation.

I very strongly believe that islamic facist are planning another attack soon. I also believe if the U.S. continues to be divided on terrorism issues and some of our own citizens think that these terrorist have never and still cannot reach us, then I just do not know what it would take to make you realize the real threat. Look past your hatred of Bush and see the real enemy. These people are bred to hate Americans (this means you). I dont understand how some can try to defend the very people that attack our freedom.

Originally posted by Aaron_Justin
Just because another attack happens will not make you correct Dick. I am an official story believer also and have trouble coming to terms with the idea that our own government perpetrated the events of 9/11. I do have an open mind though and am not closed off to the fact that our government could and would invent situations to further thier cause; however I just dont the enough evidence to prove otherwise in this situation.

I very strongly believe that islamic facist are planning another attack soon. I also believe if the U.S. continues to be divided on terrorism issues and some of our own citizens think that these terrorist have never and still cannot reach us, then I just do not know what it would take to make you realize the real threat. Look past your hatred of Bush and see the real enemy. These people are bred to hate Americans (this means you). I dont understand how some can try to defend the very people that attack our freedom.

I understand what you're saying. Just for the record, I am not defending Al Qaeda or any other Islamic extremist, well, any terrorist group for that matter. I know that they kill Americans. I know they wouldn't have a problem with flying planes into buildings or detonating a nuclear weapon. This is more about exposing our government rather than defending terrorists. I would never defend them.

I know that just another attack ALONE would not prove it. It would raise suspicions though, you have to at least admit that. But I know suspicions aren't proof. My point is, if all of these things happen that we are seeing going on right now. If they set themselves up so that it's a chain reaction effect that would result in a nuclear detonation or just another terrorist attack. For example, if the following things happen, it will look very suspicious: Terrorist attack occurs (we got that down so far), then, the Patriot Act and all it contains becomes legal, concentration camps open, anti-Bush protestors are jailed (or killed) without trial, War with Iran immediately after the attack (despite little evidence), nuclear weapons are used on Iran on over 450 targets, and of course, martial law. I know that all of these things normally may result after a terrorist attack, I understand that. But, it's the fact that there are signs of preperation of ALL of these RIGHT NOW..what are they planning for?

A nuclear detonation would leave behind little evidence (at least for the public to see), so our chances of proving this was the government are very slim. If nuclear weapons are detonated in multiple cities, and none of them include Washington D.C., that will look a little strange, will it not?

So what do you think, Muaddib?

Think Osama is still at it from the grave??

Originally posted by Muaddib

My guess is that some people around here are now also claiming that Italy is a CIA front too?....and that Hamid Mir is a CIA agent?...

I don't know if anyone remembers, but the documents alleging yellowcake purchase by Iraq from Niger seem to have been cooked up by the Italian secret service.

Just thought I'd mention it.

As for Hamid... he doesn't have to be a CIA agent. It's more than possible that his contacts have been subverted or infiltrated.

This thread's not going quite like the OP wanted it, I think. The US has cried wolf too many times, and now people are starting to get sceptical. Rather late in the day for me, but better late than never!

Urgent news from Peshawar. The head of the Islamabad-based Al-Quds Media Center has received a message from a senior Taliban leader who calls upon all Muslims living in the United States to leave the country as soon as possible "because God's punishment will fall upon America in the month of Ramadan."

Jamal Ismail, a senior journalist at Al-Quds, received the call Thursday from Mulla Masoom Afghani. "Afghani said he was speaking from somewhere in the Kandahar province," Ismail said. "He read the message in Arabic, which I recorded. In it he advised Muslim residents of America to get out to escape harm because the United States could face big attacks in the month of Ramadan."

www.canadafreepress.com...

Originally posted by rich23

As for Hamid... he doesn't have to be a CIA agent. It's more than possible that his contacts have been subverted or infiltrated.

Any proof of that?...

For all i know the Moon is a cheesecake some aliens left in a hurry during dinner as they were passing through our solar system....

Originally posted by rich23
This thread's not going quite like the OP wanted it, I think. The US has cried wolf too many times, and now people are starting to get sceptical. Rather late in the day for me, but better late than never!

How "rich"....when something you don't agree with is presented, immediately you have tolabel it as an "OP"....

What were you trying to say with "OP"?... some sort of "government operation"?....

i guess you don't have anything intelligent to say that would refute this, hence the "black op" or "another government trick" etc, etc, etc....

Why don't you try using your brainmatter to actually look for evidence that would refute what this man, and the new information has to say?.....

[edit on 17-10-2006 by Muaddib]

Doesn't Ramadan end 10/23 this year?

Only a week left and nothing so far. Are they waiting for the last day?

Originally posted by Muaddib
What were you trying to say with "OP"?... some sort of "government operation"?....

I think the 'OP' he is referring to stands for 'Original Poster', meaning you.

In reference to your post, I agree totally. something will happen soon. Too much going on in the world, an attack would probably just add to the kaos.

Believe this or not but I have a source very close to the action regarding bin Laden, and he was killed over 3 years ago. The truth regarding this will come out about this officially at an appropriate time of opportunity.