Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
First, I am not ashamed. I actually am on your side, I just found the posts complaining about discrimination against whites to be very
Why? Discrimination of any creed is wrong.
It is just like here in Canada, except the whites are upset when First Nations are given special rights, which are technically racial
discrimination. The whites feel that the Natives should just get over it, and they don't feel they are obligated to compensate them for their
losses. I disagree, and find their views at the very least greedy, and at worst, criminal.
Which 'whites'? Citizens or government?
I am white, and my fiance is First Nations, while previous to that I was in a relationship with a black woman. They have taught me a lot about
racism. I find most whites have not got a clue about what the reality of generations long, daily, mistreatment, discrimination, and bias is like for
Is Canada multicultural?
I detest slurs, but I do consider them much less harmful than a rock to the head, rape, or murder.
When racial slurs become illegal, yet only apply to one race.. someone will
take advantage of it and start pushing the boudaries with other
forms of discrimation. They should either have it apply to everyone or not at all.. if they don't all they'll create is race riots.
Did you know that here in Canada, a Native woman is 5 times as likely to be murdered as a white woman is?
No I didn't. Five times? What, apart from their race, contributes to the risk? Poverty? If most whites are financially better off it may be a class
As it is one in 4 women [apx] will get raped in their lifetime. Rather than stats that compare to white women.. do you know what percentage of natives
3.5 in 4 perhaps? It'd have to be nearly all of them if they're 5 times more at risk than white women. That statistic is a little confusing and I'd
like to know what context it is in.
And that they also constitute the poorest demographic in the country with an average annual income that is 1/3 of what is considered the
No I didn't but thankyou for educating us on your country's issues.
I have heard the expression ' the good old days', used by a South African, in the presence of my black partner, referring to apartheid. It
is not that uncommon a sentiment.
But using it as sarcasm to whites who are not racist implies that they are.
I know little about the state of affairs in Australia, most of it I heard from an aunt of mine who has lived there for over 20 years. She
described a very sad tale, which has amounted to virtual genocide. She is a teacher, and told me there are not enough elders left alive to teach the
knowledge of the old ways to the younger generation, so that much of their culture is likely to be lost forever.
This is true.. but the problems run deep. Many of the aboriginals have not been taught the importance of their own culture so are not willing to learn
about it.. [cyclical] some come from unstable homes so learning about their culture would be a luxury as they're just trying to survive. Of course
these problems are caused through various things.. IMO some of the culture is just incompatable so they're forced to choose between the two. I mean
they were nomadic when the poms arrived so they've gone from thousands of years of roaming and sleeping under stars to being expected to live in one
spot and go to work every day. It's hard to find a middle ground.
When I hear cries of reverse discrimination,
Sorry but it's not 'reverse discrimation'. It's just discrimination. Your term already implies guilt of one race.
I almost always find out that they don't know what they are talking about, and if they cared to look at the statistics they would see that
they are actually getting preferential treatment in the vast majority of the cases.
When people experience discrimination first hand they don't think to look up stats.
I don't find racial slurs funny, but admit that I occasionally can't help but chuckle at the outrage I hear expressed when people who have
been treated horribly for generations use them to express their disgust towards the people who benefitted from their abuse and theft.
I haven't benefited from racism.. I've never practiced it. Perhaps I should demand my ancestors castle back from the English? I know a few of my
ancestors would've been brutalised for being Irish..
And the world turns again. :shk:
In Canada, racism is alive and well, it has only gone underground and is mostly covert when it used to be overt when it was not made illegal to
do so. The laws haven't stopped it, they have just made it harder to be racist.
As it should be.
It is amazing how many whites don't want to make reparations for the terrible actions of their forebears, which they have benefitted
Are their some white that dont?
If I get called a racial slur, it doesn't bother me in the least.
It's usually bothers me.. but more so when was on crutches for 1/2 weeks afterwards.
It bothered my previous partner, understandably since it reminded her daily that she is treated worse based on her skin colour. If I came
across a bit strong it is because this is a bit of a hot button issue for me.
It is for me as well.. but I at least can tell of my own experiences and get across my opinions without branding an entire race.
And as far as land rights in Australia go, I was just going on the information I had, which is that there had not been any treaties signed with
the Aborigines at all. I may have gotten bad information, do you know?
You've got bad information.. you can't even climb ularu [sp] without permission as it is tribal land.
One island that I think got rejected however was an island which had 'womens burness' [abortion]. I think perhaps they were not able to prove it. My
memory is a bit hazy on that one.
Until the descendents of those people who were so criminally violated feel that they have been treated fairly, and that efforts have been
sincerely made to try to repay them for their losses (which can never be repaid, imo), there will be discontent. I could go on, but I hope that
clarifies my previous posts abrasive nature.
Not sure how they can be 'repaid'. If you are a full blooded aboriginal you get a substantial amount of money.. even if you are a 1/4 blood [I
think] you get a payment for it. Despite the bad press etc.. our government has
tried to help.. they just don't know how