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A man accused of ramming his car into a women's clinic and then setting his car on fire thought it was an abortion clinic, police said Tuesday.
"He was using his car to torch the building," Davenport police Detective Mike Bowers said.
David Robert McMenemy, 45, of Sterling Heights, Mich., is charged with second-degree arson. He's accused of driving his car into the Edgerton Women's Health Center about 4:30 a.m. on Monday.
The center does not perform abortions and does not provide abortion referrals, said Tom Fedje, the president of the clinic. He said the clinic does advise pregnant women on the various options available to them.
Originally posted by deltaboy
What does he mean various options available, can anybody help me on that?
Originally posted by Jamuhn
When will the terrorists learn?
Terrorism is a controversial and subjective term with multiple definitions. One definition means a violent action targeting civilians exclusively. Another definition is the use or threatened use of violence for the purpose of creating fear in order to achieve a political, economic, religious, or ideological goal. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
I think thats pretty blatantly obvious. He tells women all options regarding their pregnancy. He tells them, like any good doctor, what to expect, and what they can do.
very different from providing referals.
Originally posted by Implosion
When I think terrorist, I think a member of a paramilitary: The IRA, ETA, Fatah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad etc.
This man seems to be a lone nutcase criminal following his own agenda. A criminal certainly, but a terrorist? I'm not so sure. By labeling such people as terrorists, are we not opening the doors for abuse of anti terror legislation, legislation that was allegedly brought into being to exclusively target those organisations that use terror tactics for political gain?
Originally posted by Flyer
Youve got to laugh at the hypocrisy and irony of these religious freaks who murder because they believe abortion is wrong.
Originally posted by Implosion
Terrorism is a controversial and subjective term with multiple definitions. One definition means a violent action targeting civilians exclusively. Another definition is the use or threatened use of violence for the purpose of creating fear in order to achieve a political, economic, religious, or ideological goal. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist
Source.
When I think terrorist, I think a member of a paramilitary: The IRA, ETA, Fatah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad etc.
This man seems to be a lone nutcase criminal following his own agenda. A criminal certainly, but a terrorist? I'm not so sure. By labeling such people as terrorists, are we not opening the doors for abuse of anti terror legislation, legislation that was allegedly brought into being to exclusively target those organisations that use terror tactics for political gain?
Originally posted by deltaboy
Originally posted by Flyer
Youve got to laugh at the hypocrisy and irony of these religious freaks who murder because they believe abortion is wrong.
I believe abortion is wrong and I'm not religious, nor am I willing to go so far as to ram my car packed with explosives to support that view.
July/August 1995
Far-Right Militias and Anti-Abortion Violence
When Will Media See the Connection?
By Laura Flanders
When the Oklahoma City bombing captured the attention of the mainstream media, some women's rights activists expected that the attack would end mainstream media's reluctance to report on violence against abortion-providers and other domestic terror threats. That reasonable hope was dashed.
With its first reporting of the Oklahoma story, the New York Times(4/20/95) ran a list headlined "Other Bombings in America", which spanned four decades and included some attacks that claimed no injuries or lives. But none of the 40 officially documented bombings that have targeted women's clinics in that period was mentioned.
Media investigations of where right-wing militants get their violent ideas generally ignored the Army of God manual, which recommends 65 ways to destroy abortion clinics and includes an illustrated recipe for making a "fertilizer bomb" from ammonium nitrate and fuel oil. The manual turned up in 1993, buried in the backyard of an anti-abortionist indicted for arson and acid attacks on nine clinics. But headline-writers avoided describing it as a "Manual for Terrorists," as the New York Times identified a militia document in 1995 (4/29/95).
The first person convicted of violence against a women's health center ignited a gas can in a crowded New York City clinic in 1979. Since 1982, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, there have been 169 arson and bomb attacks on women's health centers in 33 states. In the'90s, when five workers in such clinics have been murdered, people calling themselves "pro-life" publicly advocate violence as a way to make legally sanctioned abortion impossibly unsafe.
In January 1994, the Supreme Court agreed with pro-choice groups that anti-abortionists could legitimately be investigated for conspiracy, but influential media have been harder to convince. In fact, the national media's gentle handling of the anti-abortion story has amounted to a quasi-conspiracy itself.
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Originally posted by Techsnow
I believe abortion is a woman's free choice.
Originally posted by deltaboy
Originally posted by Techsnow
I believe abortion is a woman's free choice.
So if your mother decided to abort you in a sense because of conditions she would have faced for example poverty, or don't feel like taking care of you, you would support her decision? What would have happened to all the things you have done in this world that your actions have affected on peoples lives? Maybe you are a doctor or a police officer saving or protecting lives, but your birth mother decided to abort you no matter how strong or weak the reason is. The only thing that I would support such abortion however, is the danger to the host's life.
Originally posted by deltaboy
I believe abortion is wrong and I'm not religious, nor am I willing to go so far as to ram my car packed with explosives to support that view.
Originally posted by Techsnow
What your saying is irrelevant.
That would be like me saying...
so if your mother decided to use you for stem cell research instead of letting you live, you would support her decision?
The child is not alive until it comes out of the womb. When the fetus is in the womb it is nothing more than that.. a fetus. It might as well be considered a stem cell until it is born. It is a part of the woman and until it comes out of her body, IMO, it is her decision wether or not it comes out.
Originally posted by deltaboy
I believe abortion is wrong and I'm not religious, nor am I willing to go so far as to ram my car packed with explosives to support that view.
Originally posted by deltaboy
So if your mother decided to abort you in a sense because of conditions she would have faced for example poverty, or don't feel like taking care of you, you would support her decision?