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Originally posted by shots
I cannot wait to hear mr wupy's reply, well that is if he reply's that is.
Originally posted by shots
BTW why didn't you admit your error in math
[edit on 8/19/2006 by shots]
Originally posted by intrepid
You know, I was going to drop this but when you come up with junk like this it just has to be replied to.
The error is NOT mine. I'm sorry that your educational system didn't do you justice.
emphasis added by MrPenny
That daily figure adds up to 9,125 deaths annually caused primarily by illegal alien Mexicans residing in America.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The condition of being illegal in the US has nothing at all to do with race. It's all about citizenship.
Originally posted by MrPenny
If millions of white, English speaking Canadians were slipping across our northern border there would be zero issue.
Originally posted by MrPennyThe illegal immigrants are doing what they can get away with in order to try to have better lives. It is tragic and certainly avoidable when any of them cause death or injury to an American citizen. However, when logically compared to other avoidable causes of death in this country, it is statistically irrelevant.
Originally posted by MrPennyWhat's not irrelevant is the failure of our legislators and law enforcement organizations to adequately staff the borders and to put regulations in place that serve to put the greatest dent in illegal immigration....the companies that hire them and exploit them.
Originally posted by MrPennyCrossing the border without proper documents is not considered to be a criminal action, it is an administrative issue.
Originally posted by MrPennyI find attempts to de-humanize entire groups of people disgusting and shameful. And that unfortunately, is how I read most of the vitriolic screeds about illegal immigration.
Originally posted by silverojo
The media was all over the two white guys who were arrested for the shootings in Phoenix, yet the Hispanic "Baseline Killer" (who's a very violent rapist as well) also terrorizing Phoenix gets virtually no coverage in the national media.
They say he's a dark-skinned male, 25 to 30 years old and 5 feet 10 inches with a light to medium build. He is also said to wear long-sleeved shirts.
Originally posted by silverojo
Deportation is a pretty serious punishment; it's just that these illegals know that our legal system is overburdened, so their odds are good that they'll make it eventually, if they keep sneaking in.
Originally posted by Ioseb_Jugashvili
The illegal point is simply moot...why? I better explain why before someone tries and fails to flame me...here I go...
As you might recall...the US was formed and built by MIGRANTS (thought using some caps might help read.) Illegal, if you want to think so, since they chose the natives land as theirs, and exterminated them.
They had a "war" with them, killing cartloads of them, finally getting them into "reserves".
Then, they saw the North of Mexico, and decided as well, it was theirs too. They decided to help the "republic" of Texas, composed mainly of Illegal US citizens living in Mexican territory. So the US got Texas that way, and then said, not only Texas, but California, and Nuevo Mexico as well..
So in a way, at it's beginning, the US was all about migration . Anyway, all I said was just to prove my point, no offense intended at all, I'll keep the extinguisher at hand though...
You might also know there have always been migration towards the US, let me say that clearly... always . How did you get rid of the problem in the 1900's? You started to legalize migration, thus opening a way for loads of Europeans that wanted to live in the US. Yep, once upon a time, us Europeans wanted to live in the US, and I'm sure many of those whose families came that way to the US are grateful to the US for that, and helped the US by paying taxes, becoming members of society and even fighting in wars for that country that had taken them in. (I can speak personally about that, since a family member of mine fought with your boys in WW1).
That was the solution, legalization. As simple as that. A country with space, need for workforce and historical ties to migration, simply can't deny all that, and just start kicking those "evil" migrants. If you legalize the migrants, they pay taxes, you can arrest the criminals among them (as there are criminals among any group that is) more easily, and even so, some "illegals" go to fight your wars! Even when you demean them, they fight for your country!
Agreed, some of them might not be the best, but sincerely, most of them just want to work, and mean no harm, and if given a truly easy and practical way, they'd be all legal. Maybe I'll have to make that clear ALL .
Instead you call them criminals, and hunt them, even some extremist nuts made a group to hunt them in the border...unbeliavable...I truly hope someone reads this and makes sense to that someone... cheers
I never said Legalized migration was unavailable, it's simply not working...at all.
Originally posted by Blarney63
Legalized migration is already available. It is illegal migration that many people have a problem with. I believe most people know this country was founded and enriched by migrants.
So it's kinda funny, the US govt expects to see work handing out only 70,000 visas, when there is need for more workforce than that, and not enough US citizens to cover it. Most of those jobs openings need a high school diploma or lower. And I really want to believe that most of the US citizens are above that...
Current immigration policies are completely out of sync with the U.S. economy’s demand for workers who fill less-skilled jobs, especially in the case of Mexican workers. While U.S. immigration policies present a wide array of avenues for immigrants to enter the United States, very few of these avenues are tailored to workers in less-skilled occupations. It should come as no surprise, then, that immigrants come to or remain in the United States without proper documentation in response to the strong economic demand for less-skilled labor.
Among the findings of this report:
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 48 percent of all job openings, some 27 million positions, between 2002 and 2012 “are expected to be held by workers who have a high school diploma or less education.”
Given that 12.5 percent of native-born adults age 25 and older lacked a high school diploma in 2003, compared to 32.8 percent of the foreign-born, it is clear that a large number of less-skilled jobs will be filled by immigrants.
According to the 2003 American Community Survey, Mexicans comprised 30.7 percent of all foreign-born workers in the United States, but amounted to 88.8 percent of the foreign-born labor force in “farming, fishing, and forestry”; 60.2 percent in “construction and extraction”; and 51.6 percent in “building and grounds cleaning and maintenance.”
Only one of the five categories of visas for permanent immigration status is tailored to less-skilled workers, and it is capped at 5,000 visas per year.
Only two of the 16 employment-based visa categories for temporary immigrant status are available to workers in industries that require little or no formal training. One (H2A) is restricted to agricultural workers and the other (H2B) is not only capped at 66,000, but is limited to “seasonal” or otherwise “temporary” work that is defined so restrictively as to disqualify workers in many industries.
Well, since that specifical pair of facts consist on how did the US aquire half their territory, I consider it was impossible not to mention them.
If one views, historically, the U.S. migration on Native American land and Mexico's land as a good thing, one can rationally use these examples, as you seem to do, to justify legalizing all migration.
If, however, one views in retrospect the U.S. migration on Native American land and Mexico's land as a negative thing, it cannot be rationally used as an example to legalize all migration.
Well...it's not like they knock the door, but simply, I'll go into your analogy, at a house nearby somebody needs a gardener, or a maid, or other unskilled job, so they come in, but another neighbor gets angry because they didn't have his permission, regardless of wether the person is needed or not.
I also believe most illegal immigrants only want to work and mean no harm. It is hard for many U.S. citizens to grasp the concept of people coming into the U.S. through the back door without at least first knocking at the front door and being given permission to enter.
Well, it's a bit extremist to see inmigration that way...if they were legal, they'd be all paying their taxes, hence, not sleeping on anybody's "bed", but their own, and well earned ones as well.
Some, not necessarily me, believe this is akin to walking into somebody else's house, lying down on a stranger's bed, and explaining it as "I'm only tired and want to sleep, I mean no harm".
May not? It reflects an attitude a fear to what's different...typical...understandable...I don't know about that.
This may not reflect an attitude which will lead to harmony but it is surely understandable.
Well...if they are real or not, that's a different issue, but they have concerns about the border, and that's acceptabale, but see, Bush is a bit far from that solution...
The U.S. has real security concerns about its border - there must be a solution that encourages legal and orderly immigration (or migration as you call it), simultaneously ensures an acceptable level of security, and that is the most fair to all.
So unless he decides to make that waiting line go down from 10-12 years, do not expect to see the migrant flow go legal, anytime, regardless of how many you arrest or not, simple because...there's a need, and there are people who fill that need. And that people are the "illegals"
The family-based immigration system is not capable of compensating for deficiencies in the employment-based system due to arbitrary numerical caps. In the case of Mexican nationals, wait times for visas under the “family preference” system are currently 7-10 years for the spouse of an LPR and 10-12 years for the unmarried adult child of a U.S. citizen.