Originally posted by Blarney63
Legalized migration is already available. It is illegal migration that many people have a problem with. I believe most people know this country was
founded and enriched by migrants.
I never said Legalized migration was unavailable, it's simply not working...at all.
immigration policies are completely out of sync with the U.S. economy’s demand for workers who fill less-skilled jobs, especially in the case of
Mexican workers. While U.S. immigration policies present a wide array of avenues for immigrants to enter the United States, very few of these avenues
are tailored to workers in less-skilled occupations. It should come as no surprise, then, that immigrants come to or remain in the United States
without proper documentation in response to the strong economic demand for less-skilled labor.
Among the findings of this report:
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 48 percent of all job openings, some 27 million positions, between 2002 and 2012 “are expected to be
held by workers who have a high school diploma or less education.”
Given that 12.5 percent of native-born adults age 25 and older lacked a high school diploma in 2003, compared to 32.8 percent of the foreign-born, it
is clear that a large number of less-skilled jobs will be filled by immigrants.
According to the 2003 American Community Survey, Mexicans comprised 30.7 percent of all foreign-born workers in the United States, but amounted to
88.8 percent of the foreign-born labor force in “farming, fishing, and forestry”; 60.2 percent in “construction and extraction”; and 51.6
percent in “building and grounds cleaning and maintenance.”
Only one of the five categories of visas for permanent immigration status is tailored to less-skilled workers, and it is capped at 5,000 visas
Only two of the 16 employment-based visa categories for temporary immigrant status are available to workers in industries that require little or no
formal training. One (H2A) is restricted to agricultural workers and the other (H2B) is not only capped at 66,000, but is limited to
“seasonal” or otherwise “temporary” work that is defined so restrictively as to disqualify workers in many industries.
So it's kinda funny, the US govt expects to see work handing out only 70,000 visas, when there is need for more workforce than that, and not
enough US citizens to cover it. Most of those jobs openings need a high school diploma or lower. And I really want to believe
that most of the
US citizens are above that...
If one views, historically, the U.S. migration on Native American land and Mexico's land as a good thing, one can rationally use these examples, as
you seem to do, to justify legalizing all migration.
If, however, one views in retrospect the U.S. migration on Native American land and Mexico's land as a negative thing, it cannot be rationally used
as an example to legalize all migration.
Well, since that specifical pair of facts consist on how did the US aquire half their territory, I
consider it was impossible not to mention them.
I'll also add that my point in bringing that up, apart from mentioning immigration, is...how different would it have been, if a treaty had been
reached with the natives, and they had coexisted...instead of slaughtering them? Negotiation would have been the way to go, even back then.
I also believe most illegal immigrants only want to work and mean no harm. It is hard for many U.S. citizens to grasp the concept of people coming
into the U.S. through the back door without at least first knocking at the front door and being given permission to enter.
like they knock the door, but simply, I'll go into your analogy, at a house nearby somebody needs a gardener, or a maid, or other unskilled job, so
they come in, but another neighbor gets angry because they didn't have his
permission, regardless of wether the person is needed or not.
Some, not necessarily me, believe this is akin to walking into somebody else's house, lying down on a stranger's bed, and explaining it as
"I'm only tired and want to sleep, I mean no harm".
Well, it's a bit extremist to see inmigration that way...if they were legal, they'd
be all paying their taxes, hence, not sleeping on anybody's "bed", but their own, and well earned ones as well.
This may not reflect an attitude which will lead to harmony but it is surely understandable.
May not? It reflects an attitude a fear
to what's different...typical...understandable...I don't know about that.
The U.S. has real security concerns about its border - there must be a solution that encourages legal and orderly immigration (or migration as you
call it), simultaneously ensures an acceptable level of security, and that is the most fair to all.
Well...if they are real or not, that's a
different issue, but they have concerns about the border, and that's acceptabale, but see, Bush is a bit far from that solution...
family-based immigration system is not capable of compensating for deficiencies in the employment-based system due to arbitrary numerical caps. In the
case of Mexican nationals, wait times for visas under the “family preference” system are currently 7-10 years for the spouse of an LPR and 10-12
years for the unmarried adult child of a U.S. citizen.
So unless he decides to make that waiting line go down from 10-12 years, do not expect to
see the migrant flow go legal, anytime, regardless of how many you arrest or not, simple because...there's a need, and there are people who fill that
need. And that people are the "illegals"
[edit on 23-8-2006 by Blarney63]