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Why would you be interested in STS-80, if -- and fair warning here -- I'm 'practiced' with that one too. Do you want to tell me there is no prosaic explanation, or -- when I present some detailed studies -- will you run away from that one too and find yet another temporary favorite?
I'm afraid you understood wrong
Hehe, maybe I exaggerated a bit, but you get the idea I hope I have read those debates - they are very entertaining . It's just clear as daylight that Mr. Oberg's job (or whatever) is to convince people that these are not unidentified objects but crap floating around the shuttle.
I hope he is joking, seriously. The thing is those objects are so far away that our eyes would never lie to us about it. In a particular footage the strange disks clearly pass behind the tether which is many miles away!. What other fact do you need to be sure they are so far from the shuttle, eh ? I guess Mr. Oberg watched David Sereda's videos and I wonder what he thinks of them. Is it really BS what David says from Mr.Oberg's point of view ? I would love to hear that.
It's a pity I'm not a native English speaker so I could elaborate on my speech a bit more but here they are, my two penny.
Out of respect for the late Mr.Corso though, i would not call him a nut seeing as he had a completely different background of experience in this subject as opposed to his views and James Oberg should not venture in territory that is not his best subject, National Security.
1. Why after some peculiar events near the shuttle in 90's NASA stopped live broadcast
to Earth and now we see what..edited video ? I know it's not live. So why is that, what do you think about it ? Just don't say it's useless thing to talk about
2. Why in case if an operator from Houston (or from the shuttle) detects anything strange going on in space, he immediately turns away the camera ? Is he afraid of optical effects of the camera? Or what ? I can provide 2 footages if needed
3. Mr. Oberg, considering your vast experience and knowledge would you please tell us if there were really any strange events in space with the astronauts (or on Earth) that you can't explain and what you would think were UFO's ? If any ? What do you think of Phoenix Lights in 1997 ?
You work for NASA. Your job is to "debunk" these videos in any possible way, because you get paid for it as far as I understand.
Originally posted by JimO
Here's why I and all serious space historians have concluded that Corso's claims are bunk:
A few weeks ago I referred to the glaring errors in Corso's accounts of space
technology and history, as one reason that people familiar with the subject
dismissed his whole book as wild ravings for the ignorant. Somebody asked me
for examples, and last week I had a chance to look the book over again. I'll
post a long discussion here, if people are still interested. Here's the
The mistakes range from a first-person account of how he co-opted a NASA
satellite program named 'Discoverer' to secretly emplace a CIA spy camera on
board, to his discussions of ET hostile interference in US manned space
missions, to discussions of the experiences of WW2 Nazi missile scientists,
The 'Discoverer' episode is pure fantasy, since the project was from the
start a USAF effort to carry the space spy camera (he claims it was a NASA project which he personally took over – a claim totally inconsistent with every other document, memoir, and historical analysis on that project in the last forty years) . The spy camera wasn't an afterthought, and Corso's boasts notwithstanding, nothing he states about the technology is remotely true. As to ET interference, that's 'National Enquirer' type stuff,
no event -- not one -- has ever been established, and even men such as Edgar
Mitchell and Gordon Cooper testify that no such events ever occurred.
Particularly offensive was Corso's assertion that Willy Ley was one of the
Nazi V-2 war criminals who was exploited by US intelligence after the war.
Ley was in fact a German Jew who fled Hitler's Germany in the 1930s and spent
the war in exile in the US while his friends and relatives were being
slaughtered by the Nazis. For Corso to accuse him of being an accomplice of
the Nazis is not just a careless stupid error, it's what some people call a
'blood libel', but is typical of the integrity and reliability of Corso's
material -- zilch.
Anybody surprised or disappointed -- or not in agreement?