Area 51 and The Nazis

Hello everyone

I have heard that many people say/think that area 51 was made up because of a ufo crash in Roswell/NM after 1947. and we all know that they started the construction of the base in the 1940-50. But what about the Nazis. I mean the WW2 was just over, I guess that the Americans stole/took/kidnapped some of the german stuff like aircrafts/weapons and enginers/scientists. I dont know so much about this stuff, so I wonder is there anyone here who knows anything about the Nazis conections to Area 51, and if there was any at all?

First Area 51 was founded in 1955 so your claim that "we all know that they started the construction of the base in the 1940-50" is totally flawed.

Second the base at Groom Lake was founded for secret development of the U2 which the top brass thought was too important to be test flown at edwards, not for anything to do with Roswell.

Some Nazi scientists and engineers were extracated to the USA (i think) during operation PAPERCLIP. But I dont think there is ANY evidence to suggest there is any link to the Nazis.

ASeems John lear spoke about 51 time origins, hmm, well perhaps someone else here can find his mention of it.

Project Paperclip

Nazi scientists were taken to the states(area 51), the roswell incident happened at the same time. The so "downed" saucer, might have been the nazi's ufo.


This is what I have read, and have seen in documentarys.

Maybe area 51 is so secret, its because hitler could be there

thats a joke.

Originally posted by Black Sword
ASeems John lear spoke about 51 time origins, hmm, well perhaps someone else here can find his mention of it.

Theres no need to find his mention of it ... I can tell you for sure that it was founded in 1955, no earlier.

There was a gunnery target at Groom Lake before the base. This is discussed in a thread I started about Area 51 pre-1955.

Bottom line of it is, Area 51 has nothing to do with Nazis.

The movie-They saved Hitlers brain covers this a bit. Joke.

Theres no need to find his mention of it ... I can tell you for sure that it was founded in 1955, no earlier.

There was a gunnery target at Groom Lake before the base. This is discussed in a thread I started about Area 51 pre-1955.

Bottom line of it is, Area 51 has nothing to do with Nazis.

How do you know that Area 51 has nothing to do with the Nazis, have you ever been inside the base and discovered by yourself?

Some of us have taken the time to interview plenty of personnel with a wide variety of job experience from the past five decades of the facility's operation, and review thousands of pages of declassfied doucuments. No nazis. No aliens. Lots of cool airplanes.

This thread opened my mind a lot. I have always believed the government was hiding an alien spacecraft and/or cadavers, which may still be the case, but if you observe this page, www.naziufos.com... the pictures of secretly developed Nazi weapons have an uncanny resemblance of the depiction of the UFO found at Roswell. That website is really good.



[edit on 12-8-2006 by x daedalus x]

Originally posted by x daedalus x
This thread opened my mind a lot. I have always believed the government was hiding an alien spacecraft and/or cadavers, which may still be the case, but if you observe this page, www.naziufos.com... the pictures of secretly developed Nazi weapons have an uncanny resemblance of the depiction of the UFO found at Roswell. That website is really good.



[edit on 12-8-2006 by x daedalus x]

Heh... oddly enough, ALOT of UFO's look like secretly developed planes of all countries. Hence the reason that most UFO sightings looks like something, because they usually are.

At the end of WWII German scientists went to New Mexico for work on

the US version of the V-2 rocket. Werner Von Braun was called to Redstone

Arsonal to develop Army rockets and launch satellites to show up Russia.

The German scientists could have ended up anywhere.

However it is not clear if the ufos reported over Washington DC in the 50s

was a result of the scientists in America.

If ufos were from other countries, America must have it own brand as well.

www.jonhs.net...

click on the above link to learn all that you have been seeking. The US brought over 100 NAZIS to the US to work on various projects, including NASA, and the space program, aswell as mind control and the like. It seems NAZI thinking has influenced the scientists on these projects as you will see in the movie on the link above.

Von Braun who headed the USA's rocket program after the war quoted to have said " have lost 2 wars, I am not prepared to loose the third".

So you can all see how this and the evidence in the film go hand in hand with the 3 generations of the Bush family, The film details the USA's covert plans to have in control a satellite based laser weapons system around the Earth to control it in every way and form.

This may well be the 4th Reich we see coming into effect now,

Watch the movie, it's an eye opener.

I might have worked for the complex, as many have.

They don't tell you everything.

Then when you tell a co worker you think ufos are man made, you are on
the top of the next layoff list.

Thanks for the move link, all I need is another horror.

I found this reversal of history page, paper clip thing.

Number 8. from this page:
www.hiddenmysteries.org...
8. Over 15,000 German military, technical, intelligence, and support personnel were brought to America (mostly New Mexico-Manzano Base, Sandia Base, White Sands Missile Range, Alamogordo, Holloman A.F.B., Los Alamos, etc.) with the "KT-p2" project, in Sept., 1945, at which time, under Operation Paper Clip, Wernher von Braun became Director of Research, U.S. Army Ordnance, Ft. Bliss, Texas; he and his 116 top rocket scientists commenced rocket (and flying saucer) R.& D. at nearby White Sands Missile Range, and Alamogordo

any one ones what this game about i mean is it a game ur nerds talkin to other nerds about math and science and weird stuff about ufo woooo scare

Nazi’s where brought to America under operation paperclip and they were employed within various divisions of the US government and military. It is absolutely ridiculous with the paper trail of information available out there to state that Americanized Natzi's have nothing to do with Area 51, quite the opposite from the evidence i have uncovered. Not at all to say America and/or Area 51 is under "Nazi control", however the influence may be there, an actual post world war 2 Germans were almost certainly frequent guests of this facility.

Even the first UFO's reported as "flying saucers" here in America have an uncanny resemblance to the same ufo prototypes built by the nazi's.....coincidence??

[edit on 8-9-2006 by hiii_98]

It makes sense that some of the Nazis brought to the US during paperclip were sent to 51.

Does anyone have any links or record of when 51 was started? Someone said A51 opened in 55 and wanted to make sure that was right? I know the first publicized flkight of the U2 was in August of 55, and A51 was supposedly built for the U2 right? I would think the plane had been flown prior to the Aug date, and the base would take time to construct no? Also roswell happened in 47 right?

Is it possible that the wreckage from roswell was looked at in 47 and a was so far out a whole new facility was constructed to analyze it, develop technology etc. and it took 8 years?

Originally posted by warpboost


Is it possible that the wreckage from roswell was looked at in 47 and a was so far out a whole new facility was constructed to analyze it, develop technology etc. and it took 8 years?

Quite possible as a matter of fact. But, it also could have been an item that fell of one of the planes they were testing, a radar dish attached to one of our weather planes looks an awful lot like a UFO dont you think? So it could have any number of things that the army came to collect in roswell. That doesnt mean it isnt what everyone thinks it is though, because they kind of set themselves up saying it was a "Weather Balloon", never thought the army cared much for weather balloons to give it an armed escort. Heh.

Hitler knew the war was going bad for him when America joined the fray. He was going a little crazy about that time. He was looking for a weapon that would help him win the world hands down. Thankfully we beat him to the punch with the Atom Bomb. He had a lot of reaserch going on that we didnt feel comfortable with him dealing in. He was trying time travel, alien technologies, pcychics, and a lot of other outlandish things, anything he could do to uncover whatever he needed to win the war. This is a good discussion, but do you really think that most of the scientist enjoyed working for Hitler? He pressed them hard, so when we offered them jobs to work for us...well lets just say, I like being on the winning side, especially when its winning and pays better. It would be nice to know what goes on in there though...mostly underground base there solely to test new aircraft? Where is Boeings secret test site for all of their new ideas? You would think they had more to lose than our Government My Opinion though.

Well I have no knowledge of a Nazi conection with Area 51 but I can tell you there were captured German V-2 Rockets being tested in the desert at the time of the roswell crash. I have heard that the UFO was a cover story for a stray rocket.

and of course there was always operation paperclip.....

[edit on 14-9-2006 by XphilesPhan]

Originally posted by warpboost
Does anyone have any links or record of when 51 was started? Someone said A51 opened in 55 and wanted to make sure that was right? I know the first publicized flkight of the U2 was in August of 55, and A51 was supposedly built for the U2 right? I would think the plane had been flown prior to the Aug date, and the base would take time to construct no? Also roswell happened in 47 right?

Is it possible that the wreckage from roswell was looked at in 47 and a was so far out a whole new facility was constructed to analyze it, develop technology etc. and it took 8 years?

The U-2 made its first flight in August 1955 from the newly constructed runway at Groom Lake. It had not been flown before that date.

At the time it was not a large base and would hardly require 8 years to construct, infact it took less than a year. It was clearly not being constructed in October 1952 as can be seen in this USGS satellite photo, compare that to this photo from Sept 1959 showing just how small the base was at that time.

I think its pretty safe to say there is no connection between Roswell and the base at Groom Lake.

Maybe...they didnt realize what they picked up in Roswell, moved it to Nellis AFB, then they decided they needed to put it somewhere more secure. This is all speculation though and I have no links nor any solid info on this, just keeping the ideas rolling. Good Discusion. We know they test new aircraft but why would an aircraft test facility be mostly underground? o.0 Not much room to work underground, would have made sence just to build an overhead at ground level. Are there any links from former press confrences saying that they test aircraft at Groom Lake? It doesnt seem that sensitive to say that, why all the hush hush about it? More speculations


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