satanists- mental or misunderstood?

Satanists- sounds scary huh? But has everybody looked into the facts? The media has painted this particular religious group to be 'evil' when this is not the case. The media has focused apon only one type of satanist- the pseudo type, angst ridden teens out to get their revenge on the world and psychos convinced that they are a reincarnation of 'the devil'. A REAL satanist does not actually worship any deity as they are their own 'gods' so to speak. They shouldn't even really be called satanists.Their religion focuses on indulgence-how can this be seen as a bad thing?
In reference to curses, again a true satanist only uses these for deserving people that have acted VERY much out of order.
I myself know a satanist, the nicest guy you could come across. If i didnt know him, what gives me the right to label him as 'evil'? The conspiracy here is that the media are viciously stereotyping a popular religions views on a misunderstood group.
Your views, if you please

satanist are lost. they say they follow a creature whos view points
fit theirs.

that they don't want to be told what to worship or told what to do.

this is nonsense.

First satan denied god because of his pride. he did not want to acknowledge his
creator, the one who gave his but life.

This satan they believe in is the same creature who hates every single satanist on earth. he creats
his way of thinkin as the right way so humans believe in his false free will way of thinking. thus in hell
he luags at them and tortures them.

he cares nothing for you nor me nor hitler.

God does not force you to do anything. he tells you the truth in what to believe and give you
the commands of perfection. these commands are for our own good and perfection.

what satanist do not know is that every sin that they do not want to be told to not do
has a major down side to it and will cause our own un hapiness.


satan is pure evil. he hates, hates, human beings. he wants us to
engage in his eternil misery by feeding us his way of attacking god. we believe and
he has us.

peace.

Truth...

How can you expect people to refrain from bashing your beliefs when you heartily bash the beliefs of others?


True "Satanism" is the belief that there are many Gods in the universe, and the Christian God is actually an antagonist on the grand stage of Gods. Their belief emerges from the idea that Satan was attempting to help humans understand their condition and transition us along the path of eventual "God-hood" through the Tree of Knowledge. Yahweh's angry reaction was "to get back" at Satan for interfering... punishing Satan by keeping key knowledge from humans.

C. S. Lewis played with the multiple-God issues of Satanism in his science fiction trilogy, "Out of the Silent Planet", "Perelandra", and "That Hideous Strength".


(Great books, this skeptic atheist highly recommends them.)

[Edited on 1-11-2002 by William]

i could believe that a trash can lid holds the secrets of god.

will you respect that?

same as in false beliefs. i do not respect them. i respect and love the individual but
will not respect a belief i "know" to be false, not believe to be false, but "know"

its something you guys can not understand.

peace.

So then... you cannot respect false beliefs, and, every belief is false, except yours.

Much evil has sprung from such a stance. Can you understand that?

and why are so sure that there is even a satan and that he hates everyone Truth? Because a guy siad so. because a book said so. Whatever. I have friends that are christians and i dont look down on them for praying for what they could go and get themselves. I dont criticise them and their faith for it's weakness because it is good for them and the way they have chosen to view life.
How can you know what is true? The only way to know is to b there and none of us were. I am not asking for your opinion that a satanists view is right. i am asking for that views acceptance as not being what it has been portrayed as
I dont know which satanists you've been talking to but i suggest you read up
www.religioustolerance.org...

I wouldn't bother Kim.
Truth isn't into discussing this, he simply wants to tell people that God is the only true creator and faith and everyone else is doomed to hell. don't think of him as a person, just consider him a stuck record. talking doesn't work.


he does it not out of a desire to explore the issues but because he wants to save you because he loves you, which, frankly, is incredably annoying.

I don't think that Satanists are necessarily evil. I used to be a conservative Christian, but have changed my beliefs afer having some issues with key doctrines, such as the conecpts of inherited sin and eternal torment. I am somewhere between being agnostic and being liberal Christian right now. Satanists are probably mostly misunderstood.

I have read quite a few mean posts on some other topics here on these message boards. I don't agree with some of the stuff that Truth says, but there is no reason to make fun of and ridicule, like what I have seen on some other topics. I won't mention any names, but a few people need to grow up. I haven't read anything on this topic yet that could be classifed as bullying. It would be sad to see a topic that has such great potential for constructive discussion go to waste though, because of someone's unchanging views and someone else's antagonistic responses.

At any rate, it really doesn't matter too much *now* if a person's beliefs are right or wrong...In the end, *everyone* will find out the truth...

very true MD

That is true. Hey, here's a thought. With so many religions claiming to be the one true faith, it could be that all of them are wrong.

That thought has occured to me on numerous occasions.

Maybe all religions are just one big joke, just to see how gullible people really are.

IMO, all religions have *some* element of truth in them...Just as much as they all have been manipulated & twisted away from the real truth. The trick is to let your own spirit guide you to the truth, wherever you happen to find it & make sure to examine it thoroughly in case there's some falsehood mixed into that truth.

In other words, *check your sources*!


[Edited on 2-11-2002 by MidnightDStroyer]

Has anyone ever heard of a 'Setian?" Ones who's orientation is to protect the philosophies and interest of Set?

Perhaps something has changed in relation to translation. Similarities in cultures should not be ignored. Especially in relation to one, which had its own Zodiac and as well its own Quabalah. Beyond this, it also had an equivalent to the Ten Commandments (the Negative Confession).

The more ancient a society is studied the more basic its intent. And that is a point to take into consideration. Personally, I really did enjoy reading King Lear



[Edited on 3-11-2002 by Toltec]

A bit more detail on that "Negative Confession": It consisted of the dead person to state 42 different "I have not (commited a particular sin)" to 42 different gods, naming each god in turn, sitting in judgement. There was also a spell (or prayer, if you will) that the dead person's heart would not speak out against him/her while being weighed against the Feather of Truth.

Anubis was the one who operated the scales of judgement; Toth was the one who recorded the results; This is from the Egyptian funerary texts, most commonly known as the Book of the Dead or the Book of Coming Forth by Day.

To get back to the *purpose* of this reply...Yes; As modern Western societies have been influenced by the Greeks, the Greeks were in turn influenced by the Egyptians. Those simularities you've noted (& many more) have merely been preserved (not changing the basic tenants, but changing only the particular *specifics* of the beliefs) down through the millennia. Many religions have popped up in history & most of them contain the same basic tenants...It's mainly the specific *content* of those beliefs that have changed.

Originally posted by Toltec
Has anyone ever heard of a 'Setian?" Ones who's orientation is to protect the philosophies and interest of Set?

[Edited on 3-11-2002 by Toltec]

I have heard of Setians, they are members of the Temple of Set, - the creation of one Micheal Aquino. Haven't had much to do with them, as I used to be a member of the Church of Satan.

[Edited on 3-11-2002 by Satanis]

Hello Satanis and welcome to ATS....

Setians and Orisirians had very different beliefs in relation to sacrifices (made to
Gods), as well as the value of human life.

In ancient Egypt a new Pharaoh
upon being made king, opted for which system of belief (between the two)
he felt affiliated with (This often related to who he felt he was a reincarnation of).

I am curious as to what system of belief you currently adhere to. And as well could you describe the tenants of the system of belief you were a member of? There are many stereotypes and if you do not mind, by responding you will clear some of them up.

[Edited on 3-11-2002 by Toltec]

Judging by these posts it is Misunderstood. It's just another Religion to me.

Thanks for the welcome Toltec

I don't have any belief system, as I practice a form of magic(k), know as Chaos Magic(k). Which runs on the basis of Nothing is True... Everything is Permitted, though many Chaotes (Chaos Magicians) will argue the toss about that. The Chaos Magician takes whatever works for him/her and uses it again if the time arises, and discards that which doesn't work.

For more information about Chaos Magick read the works of Austin Osman Spare, Kenneth Grant, Phil Hine, Jaq D. Hawkins, Phillip Cooper, Aleister Crowley, Jan Fries, Robert Anton Wilson, Timothy Leary, Hakim Bey (to name a few).

Chaos Magicians can also create their own godforms for use in specific rituals/spells, and once they have completed the spell (or whatever), they then do away with the godform that they'd created. It's very complex I know, but once you get the hang of it, it can be quite fun.

The basic Tenets of the Church of Satan, can be found in the Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey, and can be purchased at any book store (Borders, Amazon, Waterstones , etc.). Or you can visit the official Church of Satan website and click onto Theory and Practice, once there you will find some articles that will point out the basic tenets of the CoS.

[Edited on 4-11-2002 by Satanis]

Whilst on the subject of Chaos Magick, here's a link that may be of interest to you :-

www.phhine.ndirect.co.uk...