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King Abdullah Believes Israel/Palestinian Conflict Could Spark Full-Scale War

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posted on Jul, 26 2006 @ 09:42 PM
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Saudi Arabia's king stated that the present conflict between Israel and Palestine could escalate to a greater conflict in the Middle East. Abdullah stated that if Israel does not accept the initiative proposed by Saudi Arabia in the 2002 Arab summit, that there will be no other option but war. The 2002 Arab summit was an initiative in which peace was offered to Israel if it would return land seized from Arab countries in the 6th day War in 1967.
 



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"If the peace option fails because of Israeli arrogance, there will be no other option but war," Saudi state television quoted the king as saying in an official statement.

"No one can predict what will happen if things get out of control.

"The Arabs have declared peace as a strategic choice ... and put forward a clear and fair proposal of land for peace and have ignored (Arab) extremist calls opposing the peace proposal... but patience cannot last forever."

The king was referring to an Arab peace initiative, proposed by Saudi Arabia and adopted in a 2002 Arab summit.

The deal offers Israel a comprehensive peace in return for Arab land it seized in a 1967 Middle East war.



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


The peace that King Abdullah is offering demands the return of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights.

The 6th day war started because Egypt performed a blockade of all Israeli shiping in the Straits of Tiran. If Israel accepts this deal who is to say that such blockade would not be attempted again against Israel?

This proposal would be the same as if all ethnic groups, except Arabs, united a great army in the Middle East and demanded the return of their ancestral lands from Arab rulers or war would ensue.

I hope the King sees the folly of his peace plan, because I am certain Israel will not accept.


[edit on 26-7-2006 by Muaddib]




posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 03:12 PM
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The king see his folly? Surely you jest. It is high time that Israel, like the United States see the folly of their arrogance and how their high handed behaviour fuels the resentment against them in the region. You cannot act like a law unto yourself and not expect people (or other nations) resenting it. All that aside....as long as the issue of the Palestinian people is not resolved, there will be no peace in the region.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 08:01 PM
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Do i jest?...no....

Do you think it alright, and a good peace plan, if the remains of all the ethnic groups who used to rule in the Middle East banded together and made an army claiming that if the Arab ursurpers did not return half of the lands in which Muslims live now that there will be no choice but to go to war?..... Would you call that "a peace plan" or "a reasonable proposal"?.....

and you want to talk about "arrogance"?....

[edit on 27-7-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 09:10 PM
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Here is a statement given by King Abdullah on the Saudi Press Agency. I think it is very important to present the whole message, because it appears that we are in the brink of WWIII. I am not sure Israel is going to accept leaving those areas which they won during the 6th day war in 1967.


JEDDAH, JULY 25, SPA -- FOLLOWING IS THE STATEMENT ISSUED TODAY BY THE ROYAL COURT:
" THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA HAS UNDERSTAKEN THE ROLE REQUIRED OF IT BY ITS RELIGIOUS AND NATIONAL DUTY WITH REGARD TO THE SITUATION IN THE REGION AND REPERCUSSIONS OF EVENTS IN LEBANON AND THE OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES. IN THIS REGARD, IT HAS CAUTIONED, WARNED AND EXTENDED ADVICE. FURTHERMORE, IT HAS STRIVEN FROM THE FIRST MOMENT TO STOP THE AGRRESSION, MOVING ON MORE THAN ONE FRONT AND BY MORE THAN ONE MEANS, TO PERSUADE THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO FORCE ISRAEL TO AGREE TO A CEASEFIRE.
MEANWHILE, THE KINGDOM HAS DISPATCHED HRH THE FOREIGN MINISTER AND HRH THE SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL TO MEET H.E. THE U.S. PRESIDENT IN WASHINGTON AND INFORM HIM OF ITS VIEWS ON THE GRAVE AND UNPREDICTABLE CONSEQUENCES OF THE UNREMITTING ISRAELI AGGRESSION IF MATTERS WENT BEYOND CONTROL. THE KINGDOM HAS ALSO ASKED PERSONAL ENVOYS TO VISIT THE CAPITALS OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL'S PERMANENT MEMBER STATES TO CONVEY THE SAME MESSAGE.
THE ARABS HAVE PROCLAIMED PEACE AS A STRATEGIC OPTION FOR THE ARAB NATION. THEY PRESENTED A JUST AND DISTINCT PLAN FOR REGAINING THE OCCUPIED ARAB TERRITORIES IN EXCHANGE FOR PEACE.
THEY REFUSED TO RESPOND TO PROVOCATIONS AND IGNORED ANTI-PEACE EXTREMIST CALLS. IT SHOULD BE STATED THAT PATIENCE COULD NOT LAST FOREVER. IF THE ISRAELI MILITARY BRUTALITY PERSISTED WITH KILLINGS AND DESTRUCTION NO ONE COULD PREDICT THE CONSEQUENCES AND THAN REGRETS WILL BE IN VAIN.
THEREFORE, THE KINGDOM ADDRESSES AN APPEAL AND A WARNING TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN ITS ENTIRETY, AS REPRESENTED BY THE U.N. AND IN PARTICULAR THE U.S.
THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA CALLS ON ALL TO ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH HONEST, CONSCIOUS AND INTERNATIONAL MORAL AND HUMANITARIAN LAWS. IT ALSO WARNS ALL THAT IF THE PEACE OPTION IS REJECTED DUE TO THE ISRAELI ARROGANCE THEN ONLY THE WAR OPTION REMAINS AND NO ONE KNOWS THE REPERCUSSIONS BEFALLING THE REGION, INCLUDING WARS AND CONFLICT THAT WILL SPARE NO ONE INCLUDING THOSE WHOSE MILITARY POWER IS NOW TEMPTING THEM TO PLAY WITH FIRE.

www.spa.gov.sa...


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posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 09:15 PM
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Any sort of peace plan, flawed or not, is a beginning and a place to start negiotions from. The mere fact that the Saudis proposed it is iimportant...if the Saudi's bow out and sign an accord with Israel, that would take a lot of wind out of the infatida sails and would leave Syria and Iran isolated as the sole remaining backers of it. That very fact would suggest at least using the Kings plan as a starting point.

As for war...it is already there....the question is will it spread, and as long as the Palestinian issue is not resolved to the satisfication of all sides, there well always be the potential of a greater conflict.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 09:18 PM
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It is one thing to go after hezboullah or hamas, it is another entirely to bomb the poo out of innocent men, women and children.

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[edit on 27/7/2006 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 09:32 PM
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And is Saudi Arabia ``strong`` in terms of army? Also, Saudi Arabia at war against Israël mean no oil for USA... economic crash following... They got USA and Israël by the balls.


I think it's time for the extraordinary planeman to do a thread about Saudi Arabia military capabilities...



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
And is Saudi Arabia ``strong`` in terms of army? Also, Saudi Arabia at war against Israël mean no oil for USA... economic crash following... They got USA and Israël by the balls.


I think it's time for the extraordinary planeman to do a thread about Saudi Arabia military capabilities...


It will not only be Saudi Arabia, but several other Islamic states, and i am certain that China and Russia will join in, because Iran is now a new member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which ironically was founded by China and Russia to fight terrorism, extremism and separatism. Syria might even be invited by the way things are going.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:52 PM
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And Russia is beginning to build a naval base in Syria port Tartus. So if Israël attack Syria, Russia may step in.

Source



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 11:03 PM
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>They got USA and Israël by the balls.

Always good for a laugh!

Only problem with an 'Arab army' would be their sheer incompetence. Without the element of some type of overwhelming and lasting surprise... Is they are going to get slaughtered like every war they've fought with the Israelis to date.

An honest observer might take note of WHY doesn't Hezbollah publish casualty figures?

Hezbollah: 'We need more volunteers!'



What a waste of humanity.

>Russia may step in...

Kind of like a trip to Disneyland...



Thanks Vitchilo.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 11:10 PM
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Never underestimate the Russian government nor the Chinese, together with some Arab countries they are a formidable force to deal with.

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posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 11:10 PM
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Yeah, they got Israël and the USA by the balls because they have the oil power, not the army power. If they decide to blow up their oil or not sell to USA, what do you think will happen to the market? Crash.

So they don't have USA and Israël by the balls eh?



posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 06:02 AM
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They do not have America by the balls and this is not the start of WW3 no matter how much it gives the neo-cons a woodie to think about it. The mid-east is too far away for China to get militarily involved...send arms yes but not troops...ask for Russia, getting involved in this conflict is not in their best interest either plus if Turkey wanted to (as the price for joining the EU for example) could seal the Borprous and Darnelles with no problem effectively trapping Russia up in the Black sea.

I just heard our pinhead in chief claiming that the root cause of violence in the mid-east was terrorists opposed to the spread of democracy. What a bleeping simpleton. I suppose the unresolved issue of the Palestinians has nothing to do with it huh?



posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 10:21 AM
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So I'll explain it to you Vitchilo...



No country stands alone. Countries need to trade with other countries.

Major players don't usually get involved... they let OTHER countries play the part of the marionette. With the profit motive being the impetus for the various sometimes contradictory moves made by the major players.

The Cold War never really ended... it's only on hiatus. It hasn't really gone away... And neither has MAD.

Crash? OMG!



What is the worst crash we are familiar with from a historical perspective? 29.

End of the world? Not exactly...

Didn't keep the USA from putting together the largest militaryindustrial complex ever and saving the world?


If it helps you Vitchilo, you might want to think of it as the difference between a real crisis and the crisis du jour cranked out by all the local affiliates to show their viewers that they are in touch with what is happening.

[edit on 28-7-2006 by golemina]



posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 10:41 AM
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As long as China has Wal-MArt and Starbucks, don't worry about them. They want to be a superpower, not piss of the world.

The Soviets very well could provide military surplus to the arab nations, as well as strategic advice.

Iran is already in this war, along with Syria, using Hezbollah/Lebanon as a proxy.

The Saudis are going to have to do a #2 or get off the pot on this one, and it may not be pretty to the US economy, but it will not break us.

Israel is like a cornered animal right now. and you never know what they will do. I think up to this point, they are holding back.

This coming conflict showed its head on US shores in 1990, with the killing Rabbi Meir Kahane. He was assassinated on November 5, 1990 by a Egyptian terrorist as he gave a speech at the Marriott Hotel in New York City, New York. The Egyptian terrorist, who had been acquitted on a technicality for this outrageous killing was later convicted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing which is linked to the same group who planned and executed 9/11.

I say we hook up with China and Russia, and split up the middle east. Cheap oil for everyone....



[edit on 28-7-2006 by esdad71]



posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 11:27 AM
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I saw on www.beawitness.info... That Syria downed a unmanned aircraft and that Israël bombed the syrian base who downed that aircraft, is it possible? Will Syria enter the war for this?



posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by esdad71
As long as China has Wal-MArt and Starbucks, don't worry about them. They want to be a superpower, not piss of the world.


Except that China is more interested in Keeping Taiwan under it's reign, and in occupying other regions than they are "interested in Walmart".... They can always open walmarts elsewhere....


Originally posted by esdad71
I say we hook up with China and Russia, and split up the middle east. Cheap oil for everyone....


They don't want to split anything with the U.S.... They want to destroy the U.S. economically and if possible militarily, and they have been working at this for decades.



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 07:38 AM
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Despite Muaddib's hysteric rhetoric about China wanting to destroy the United States, its bullhooey. Besides the simple fact that we are, by far, its largest trading partner, and doing us in would obviously bring down their economy, it is a reality that the day of literally destroying a nation is long past unless it is done with nuclear weapons. Besides G. Bush with his massive deficits has given China our balls on a silver platter. As the 2nd largest holder of U.S. Bonds, after Japan, if we do something that they do not like, they don't even have to put their military on alert, unless they want the show, all they have to do is threaten to call in those loans to bring us to the mat....much less what would happen if they actually did. Also, as the 2nd largest holder of U.S. Bonds, the interest (much less the principle) on those loans are enough to keep things in check. Unless you are a fool, you don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg, and, again thanks to Bush, we have become that goose for China.

The simple truth of the matter is that for the largest players on the world stage today, their militaries are bargining chips and for show...the real wars are fought by proxies....unless you have fallen for a neo-con fantesy of empire. Empires are dead history.



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 04:16 PM
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so now they announce on NPR that Israel is re-evaluating its strategy and has decided not to try and disarm Hezbullah, just stop the rockets....hmmmmmm.....so what has all the destruction and death been for then? Nothing.



posted on Jul, 30 2006 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by grover
Despite Muaddib's hysteric rhetoric about China wanting to destroy the United States, its bullhooey.


Is it possible for you to discuss the topic or do you have to resort to ad hominem attacks because you lack the intelligence, and facts to make a reasonable argument?....


Originally posted by grover
Besides the simple fact that we are, by far, its largest trading partner, and doing us in would obviously bring down their economy, it is a reality that the day of literally destroying a nation is long past unless it is done with nuclear weapons.


Right... and i guess i made up the following too?...


China eyes switch in reserves away from dollar
Move could have significant impact on currency, commodity markets

WASHINGTON/SHANGHAI - China indicated on Thursday it could begin to diversify its rapidly growing foreign exchange reserves away from the US dollar and government bonds – a potential shift with significant implications for global financial and commodity markets.

Economists estimate that more that 70 per cent of the reserves are invested in US dollar assets, which has helped to sustain the recent large US deficits. If China were to stop acquiring such a large proportion of dollars with its reserves – currently accumulating at about $15bn (€12.4bn) a month – it could put heavy downward pressure on the greenback.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

So why would China threaten to switch it's reserves away from the dollar if your statement was true?....

I guess the threats from Chinese officials that they would nuke California if the United States tries to help Taiwan maintain it's independance is also made up?....


Originally posted by grover
Unless you are a fool, you don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg, and, again thanks to Bush, we have become that goose for China.


Riiight...and i guess you are going to change the history of the world claiming that "trading partners never attack those they trade with".... History alone proves you wrong. Japan increased their trading with the United States before they attacked Pearl Harbor, and if you go back in time you will find other countries doing the same...

Why would two Chinese officials, backed by the CCP write a book about "unrestrictive warfare" on ways to attack an enemy such as the United States using conventional and unconventional ways?... I made that up too?...



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