I don't think the UN just "set up" right next to Hezbollah positions. This was a permanant building, not a freakin tent they ercted overnight.

Israel is a terrorist state and their continued murders will get them no sympathy.

Murder is murder, there's just no way of dressing it up as anything else, whoever the perp may be.

Originally posted by Britguy
I don't think the UN just "set up" right next to Hezbollah positions. This was a permanant building, not a freakin tent they ercted overnight.

Israel is a terrorist state and their continued murders will get them no sympathy.

Murder is murder, there's just no way of dressing it up as anything else, whoever the perp may be.

Even if what you say is true-it was a perment building-again-what do you think will happen when terrorists fire rockets from next to them-D"UH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is a shame that the terrorists caused those un deaths-that right. Had the terrorists not fired near the un, Israel would not have fire back near the un.

And for those who think that no return fire should be done-are you telling me that U will allow terrorists to fire rockets near the un and ex[ect that no return fire will come because they are hiding next to the UN_WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And just how close were those rocket firing terrorists to the UN building?

Please post a link indicating that they wre right next to the UN observation post as I have seen nothing indicating this close proximity.

Originally posted by Britguy
And just how close were those rocket firing terrorists to the UN building?

Please post a link indicating that they wre right next to the UN observation post as I have seen nothing indicating this close proximity.

Agreed. I would like to see this as well. You know what disappoints me? If the UN were to get involved, the same people would scream that the UN is sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. So I can't see the UN winning in either situation with some.

I would also like to add, these UN buildings? Were the UN Soldiers camped out there? I can't honestly believe anyone would expect a bunch of beaurocrats that file paperwork all day to just run over to the "hezbollah next door" and disarm them. What do they use as an intro? "May I borrow a cup of olive oil?"

I also still cannot see why people are taking sides. I see no side worthy of taking, still. I see governments killing people.

Awfully strange though... 50% of Hezbollah "wiped off the map" last week, and for some reason, the fighting is still at 100%.

Why is it that some people can't just admit that Israel is capable of doing some things wrong just as hezbollah is doing some things wrong? Some people on this site are so married to a side that I think it is beginning to fog judgements.

Britguy has it right. Murder is murder. War crimes are war crimes. An "eye for an eye" seems appropriate but cliche and dated and uncivilized as it's origins... payback (sanctioned and otherwise) is a likelihood. Lotsa shame to go around on all sides... many folks are re-evaluating positions - doesn't look promising for a way forward that doesn't involve a bunch of dead innocents.

Thanx,

Victor k.

Now that we've gotten the blatant propaganda attacks (by the usual suspects ) out of the way...

It should be interesting to see how the actual facts unfold.

Why didn't the UN unass that location? Just keeping an eye on Hez for the sake of peace?

Originally posted by hogtie
Why didn't the UN unass that location? Just keeping an eye on Hez for the sake of peace?

Before jumping to conclusions (which some did) let's try to find the facts. Was there a force in the UN building to stop them? How close was this building to Hezbollah? Was the UN folk making popcorn and getting ready "to watch the show"?

I can see the thread already, "Stupid UN tried to stop Hezbollah Rockets by throwing staplers and paperweights". Some people are just not going to be happy with anything if it compromises they're opinions in any way, I suppose.

[edit on 7/26/06 by niteboy82]

Originally posted by subz
Israel ignored 10 phone calls over a six hour period to stop the artillery and air strikes so very close to their position. Each time they were assured by the IDF that the firing would stop.

That's the typical Israeli way of defining ''accident''.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon

As more information has been coming out, the REAL TRUTH of the matter is coming out.

It seems that the UN set up right next to Hezbollah terrorists who were firing rockets into Israel.

One thing-the UN NEVER tried to stop the Hezbollah from firing.

So we can say it was criminal for the UN to just watch the terrorists firing their missiles into Israel-and you wonder why Israel doesn't trust the UN to do ANYTHING-PFF

First of all, I'd like to ask you kindly to stop using such many smiles, we're not in primary school now.

Second, the UN outpost was just 50 meters away from the Israeli border for years, big and white and UN signs everywhere. It doesn't make sense an Apache helicopter just shot accidentally nor does it make sense three rockets had been shot accidentally.

Third, obviously you don't really understand the UN task in South Lebanon: to o-b-s-e-r-v-a-t-e. Not to intervene.

(a) The UNOGIL military observers would conduct regular and frequent patrols of all accessible roads from dawn to dusk, primarily in border districts and the areas adjacent to the zones held by the opposition forces.

(b) A system of permanent observation posts was to be established and manned by military observers. There were initially 10 such stations. The observers at these stations attempted to check all reported infiltration in their areas and to observe any suspicious development.

(c) An emergency reserve of military observers was to be stationed at headquarters and main observation posts for the purpose of making inquiries at short notice or investigating alleged instances of smuggling.

(d) An evaluation team was to be set up at headquarters to analyse, evaluate and coordinate all information received from observers and other sources.

(e) Aerial reconnaissance was to be conducted by light aeroplanes and helicopters, the former being equipped for aerial photography.

(f) The Lebanese Government would provide the Observation Group with all available information about suspected infiltration. The Group would also request the military observers to make specific inquiries into alleged activities as occasion required.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Two, knowing how things work-terrorists fire rockets into Israel, Israel fire's back with artillery and bombs at the missile launching point-so staying next to Hezbollah is asking for death or an attempt by the UN to protect terrorists.

Israel shot artillery shells prior to purposely destroying the UN base. Do you actually know how precisely artillery can shoot? The UN observers contacted the IDF several times, Israel knew exactly the coordinates of the observation post [for years].



[edit on 26-7-2006 by Mdv2]

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Even if what you say is true-it was a perment building-again-what do you think will happen when terrorists fire rockets from next to them-D"UH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is a shame that the terrorists caused those un deaths-that right. Had the terrorists not fired near the un, Israel would not have fire back near the un.

And for those who think that no return fire should be done-are you telling me that U will allow terrorists to fire rockets near the un and ex[ect that no return fire will come because they are hiding next to the UN_WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It blows my mind this logic. Also i think it clearly shows the propaganda machine in play. Israel bombs a u.n. building, yet it the "terroists" fault.
Where is the proof, or even claims that the u.n. building was close to a hezbollah outpost? Even if it was, the IDF should be more careful in its current situation and send it ground troops to take out a outpsot near a u.n. location. Also for you to claim hezbollah are terroists but then condone the bombing of lebanon shows again your double logic. Lebanon is a sovergin nation, not a terroist state, hence the IDF decalred war on a terroist faction, not a nation so why are they blowing up a whole nation? Why north lebanon?

I advise you to wake up.

Originally posted by wang

It blows my mind this logic. Also i think it clearly shows the propaganda machine in play. Israel bombs a u.n. building, yet it the "terroists" fault.
Where is the proof, or even claims that the u.n. building was close to a hezbollah outpost? Even if it was, the IDF should be more careful in its current situation and send it ground troops to take out a outpsot near a u.n. location. Also for you to claim hezbollah are terroists but then condone the bombing of lebanon shows again your double logic. Lebanon is a sovergin nation, not a terroist state, hence the IDF decalred war on a terroist faction, not a nation so why are they blowing up a whole nation? Why north lebanon?

I advise you to wake up.

The civilians have fled. That pretty much leaves two groups in the area, the UN and Hez. Now make an imaginary line and put Israel to the south, and on the other side of the line put Hez and the UN on the north side. I think that pretty much sums up the situation, unless the UN has snuck peacekeepers into Israel to help make sure suicide bombers don't board busses.

Originally posted by hogtie
The civilians have fled. That pretty much leaves two groups in the area, the UN and Hez.

Ok, I'd like to see your links on this. That's quite a bit of silliness. I guess now I better call someone I talk to in Beirut and tell him that he isn't really there, he just thinks he is because all civilians have fled? I should let him know that his family, his neighbors, and his friends are not there either, he just thinks they are?

I want to see some links to back that up, if you don't mind, because that is just baseless to me.

Originally posted by hogtie
The civilians have fled. That pretty much leaves two groups in the area, the UN and Hez. Now make an imaginary line and put Israel to the south, and on the other side of the line put Hez and the UN on the north side. I think that pretty much sums up the situation, unless the UN has snuck peacekeepers into Israel to help make sure suicide bombers don't board busses.

Well if i remember originaly the IDF were attacking north lebanon to destroy infastructure to prevent the transportation of the kidnapped soldiers, but the soldiers have been forgotten and infastructure is not the only thing that has been bombed in the north. Hezbollah was stationed in southern lebanon, to say that their is a imaginary line between the two countries with the u.n. and hezbollah to the north and israel to the south shows your simplification of the situation. Ti the north of your imaginary line their are lebanese civilans aswell as hezbollah and the u.n. In southern lebanon most of the civilian population has fled or gone undergorund, but that doesnt mean that all civilians are 'safe', many will still die by the day aslong as this war continues.

OK, I'm sorry. That was hyperbole. My point is that civilians are moving out of the way if they can, and if the UN has nothing to contribute, it only makes sense that they do the same thing instead of taking fire.

Originally posted by wang
Hezbollah was stationed in southern lebanon, to say that their is a imaginary line between the two countries with the u.n. and hezbollah to the north and israel to the south shows your simplification of the situation.

Perhaps it is a simplification, but it still shows that the UN is on one side and not the other? Why is that? Is it because of inherent instability in Lebanon to which Israel is responding to, or is it something else?