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Originally posted by KrazyIvan
i registered for the draft yesterday, and i felt very pround about it.
Originally posted by KrazyIvan
at least i have the balls to defend my country.
Originally posted by KrazyIvan
what about enlistment on my own?
Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Well, the awful truth of the matter is some "brainwashing" must occur in order to make soldiers do what they unfortunately have to do, i.e. make war.
I was aware that a certain amount of brainwashing is required...However, that would be most appropriate for those soldiers who are slotted into "combat-related" rates. For those who were meant for support far behind the lines don't need that kind of brainwashing because it gets in the way of *actually using their brains* to do those particular jobs.
For example, in the Navy, I was an OTM...Perfomance in our rate required absolutely *no* contact with battle or even to *approach* any areas where battle was likely. Our job, in a nutshell (because it's a secruity rate & a nutshell is all I can give you) was to perform maintenence & repair on computer-based data processing systems...And *none* of these systems were locate in any area that was likely to be invaded; Even in that case, there were other, more combat-oriented rates, that were in charge of security anyway. Granted, I still had to learn how to shoot, but I would have never been required to actually *use* a gun.
I was in a rate that required *brains* not *brainwashing*...But the military still uses such brainwashing on a service-wide basis.
Originally posted by Cearbhall
From ECK:
"It was the military/industrial complex who led us into this farce they call a war. The leaders of Halliburton and Bechtel wanted this war. There was no HAD TO about it."
Prove it. Farce smarce. We are there to liberate a people under the yoke of a dictatorship.
That was the justification given once the whole WMD issue was proven to be a complete lie.
I have friends over there and I know of people who say the Iraqi people are happy we came to destroy Saddam.
Yes, that seems to be quite clear, day in and day out as our men and women in uniform are coming under 30+ attacks dailey. You should quit buying into the propaganda. You're not helping our troops. You're only hurting them in the long-run.
You don't hear it from the news because it doesn't sell.
You only hear what you want to hear.
From ECK:
"You are a fascist lemming. You cannot bear dissent from your opinion. You try and verbally denigrate anyone with an oposing view. Go get a dictionary and review your position. A book on Hitler and Nazi Germany might serve you well, too."
No I bear your opinion, I don't agree with it in the slightest, thats what makes this country great. There is nothing wrong on being happy about your country. Fascist you say! Bah! I don't believe in a centralised autocratic govt., and you to compare me with Hitler or Nazism is absurd and unsubstantiated to say the least.
You get twisted out of shape when someone disagrees with you, then you attack. That is anything but caring for Freedom of Speech. Perhaps if you took a different tact, your views would be seen in a more favorable light.
From ECK:
"I also fight for what I believe in. I joined the Army on my own volition. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, I went willingly and with passion because I believed in the liberation of the Kuwaiti people and I understand that we had to protect the oil fields as that was in our nation's vital interest. Your silly and petty attacks do not apply to me."
Your an angry man bro. Here you go: it is of vital interest to topple Saddam's regime, same as your oil fields mate.
Boy they love folks like you. I hope you don't have to go to Iraq. Your illusions will be shattered.
From ECK:
"What war have you ever fought?"
I was deployed and can be in the future again. I'm fighting this war my friend.
Where to?
From ECK:
"You do not fight for me or my nation. Your views are fascist. I fought for your right to feel that way. You do not understand free speech/the first ammendment."
Oh yes I now fight for your freedoms that you have and defend you from those opposed to our freedoms as you di for me when you were in and I appreciate it.
The only people opposed to our freedoms are the international bankers who foment wars to enrich themselves.
From ECK:
"It's quite clear you have no understanding of how our founding fathers thought. Go read the Federalist Papers then get back to us."
Your opinion. If you called a founding father a murderer I bet 10 to 1 he would say he wasn't.
As I said, read the Federalist Papers and then we can discuss the intent of the founding fathers.
From ECK:
"I voted for Bush and have never voted for a Democrat in my whole life. I know you find that difficult to grasp, but it is true. Clinton was a traitor, too. And I had nothing but respect for President Bush (I) until I became immersed in political science and much research. You have obviously avoided any and all truth regarding his dealings. I am quite saddened, if you want to know the truth, as he was MY COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. You will be lost until you find it within yourself to open your eyes and discover the truth. And by the way, as a Christian, I understand that we are not to place our faith in any man, but in God alone. Or, in the words of Reagan, "Trust BUT verify."
At least you voted Repub. so that is good. I'm not surprised neither. Bush I wasn't my C&C but, the son is. He is the one I need to focus on. Yep your right Clinton is a traitor. Yes it is good to put your faith in God over people.
Always. And regardless of whether I am still in uniform or not, the oath I made to stand in the defense of my nation will be good until the day I die or our constitution is rendered null and void.
From ECK:
"That satement is patently absurd, as no one MADE me join and no MADE me fight. I believed in our mission."
As I believe in mine. It is all relative.
Originally posted by Cearbhall
Wow! Very interesting things. I'm starting to see it. Have any more? Newer things on this govt? What type of govt do you want ECK?
[Edited on 11-3-2003 by Cearbhall]