posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 04:55 AM
I recently listened to an episode of Whitley Streiber's Dreamland and in the second segment of the show, I believe it was Linda Moulton Howe that was
on and she interviewed the authors of a new book entitled Heavenly Lights: The Apparitions of Light and the UFO Phenomenon. It was authored by
Portugese historians Joaquim Fernandes (PhD) and Fina D'Armada. In their book, they claim that the Jesuits who were in charge in Fatima during that
time did a combination of persuading, convincing, and flat-out harassing the children into saying it was Mary and the "miracle of the Sun" when they
originally reportedly described their experience as a classic ET encounter. Par
From the podcast, here are the important quotes and details that I've transcribed from the the mp3. It took awhile but it cured my boredom. I did my
best not to construe but don't yell at me if it's not totally word for word... I tried hard to quote quotes and a lot of is paraphrased... MODS, I
apologize if I broke any rules, please forgive me!
"She [the entity] was an apparently feminine but very beautiful figure, wrapped in a light that blinded, appeared to be aproximately three and one
half feet tall, appeared between 12 and 15 years old, wore a skirt, a coat, and maybe a cape that were white. Her skirt and robe had a checkered
pattern of gold thread. She wore something on her head that covered her ears and hair. She had black eyes. She had a strand of beads resembling
a rosary. Earrings. An illuminous ball at her waist. She came from above and disappeared little by little, back up into the sky. She made no facial
movement. She did not move her legs. She spoke without moving her lips. And she moved ONLY her hands.
Furthermore, in the official interrogations in 1923 by the formal Catholic-Fatima parish inquiry, Lucia did NOT say it was the Virgin Mary.
Lucia told church-investigators that when she asked the small, glowing lady at the top of the oak [tree] where she was from, the tree-top apparition
quote 'pointed to the sky and said she was from there.'" Everything above is from Moulton as an introduction to the interview.
The authors either didn't speak english so the voice responding to the questions is the translator's. So what I've paraphrased here is of what has
already been paraphrased from the authors.
The authors point to a conspiratorial coverup of what really happened in Fatima. These two guys formally asked the Church for the documents related to
the Fatima incident and apparently uncovered some things.
"At the heart of the matter is a conspiracy by the Jesuits to cover up the fact that the entities at Fatima were not dieties descending from
heaven, but rather were alien beings, visiting our planet from elsewhere in the vast cosmos."
First questionWhat evidence convinced these authors and historians that Fatima was indeed an ET-UFO encounter?
Answer: From the direct testimony from many witnesses of disc-shaped craft which started out silver but became transparent to reveal the
bodies of three beings inside. And there were strange, angelic interfaces... there were apparitions floating above a particular oak-tree... that some
have interpreted to possibly be holographic projection(s) from a UFO hovering above... The apparition(s) seemed to be linked to a direct ray that came
from the craft above- it was being beamed from on high, it went up to the clouds.
Question: If there was technology and people saw discs, and beings in the discs and beings that were being projected, did the Jesuits force the
children to lie?
Answer: Yes. First, off there's Fatima I and Fatima II. Fatima I is what the children and witnesses described of what they saw of the events
in 1917. Fatima II is what the Jesuits have apparently been succesful in spreading that is completely different from what really happened. What the
authors/historians are trying to explain is that the political atmosphere, prior to the establishment of the Republic of Portugal, the Church and the
State had been one, single entity. BUT, the Catholic hierarchy was expelled from Portugal and fled to "Falicia." This is apparently where Lucia was
raised until the age of 18 as a nun, thus, She was not allowed to speak. They were told what to do by Jesuits.
Between the two manuscripts (of what she was reported to have said), there are two descriptions. One is of a blonde-haired, white-skinned, blue-eyed
girl of aproximately 14. The other description was of a being above the tree, that had black eyes and small features.
So there may have been two different species of extraterrestrials involved in this incident and it was covered up and concocted into a chain of events
that was specifically designed (by the Jesuits) to convince the masses that it was a religious event.
The authors theorize that what has come to be known as the ET-phenomenon is an "interdimensional ongoing and ancient thing that we super-impose our
own meaning upon." The event was molded according to a particular culture and way of thinking... this IN ADDITION to the Jesuits manipulating the
people into thinking it was something totally different from the truth.... all in order to reach their goals, namely making Russia a Christian nation
Question: What is the authors' implication as to why the aliens are deliberately masquerading as Marian apparitions which the Catholic Church,
by then, had accepted?
Answer: Basically, to provide a comfortable environment for their deliberate encounter... The authors say it would make more sense that these
ETs preferred to have the people below react in as non-violent and non-hysterical as possible. In this particular time-period and location, a heavenly
apparition derived from the Catholic-archetype Mary would surely be the logical choice if that was their intention. They think it was primarly
extraterrestrials manipulating humans combined with the Jesuits twisting the story to fit their agenda.... but they insist there is no evidence for
these particular speculations...
It's hard to say for sure what exactly happened but their book basically documents what they claim is the ORIGINAL and TRUE story, straight from
reports, records etc that detailed the children's actual words.
[edit on 3-7-2006 by firebat]