Okay I lied. And here I am again.
Originally quoted by Benevolent Heretic
B. The use of a word does not necessarily indicate racism. It’s the meaning, the connotation that indicates to me a person’s intent.
Well, you didn't explain this before. You led me (and others) to believe it was the simple intent of someone saying the "racial epithet" as an
indicator of racism. If you did, I would have amended my comments about Tony Snow and others yet again.
It pays to be clear when trying to describe the criteria of your "low bar" of tolerance for racism. That is a piece of advice. Not an insult.
Respectfully, you have no right to say whether I have anger against Whites or not. I did say that I have anger about victimization and how it is
used, regardless of race.
That is different than simply having anger against another race.
Rarely enough, I am angry at people
but not because of their race. But I am not simply angry at White people. And no, I don't have an
inherent racism against White people because I ask questions about race-relations. Please refrain from saying I don't recognize my own behavior of
innate racism. Please stop saying that I am racist (here and elsewhere on the board). And please stop saying that simply because Blacks speak their
feelings about race that means "they are angry at White people". It isn't the case. They are just speaking their mind like everyone else. (since
you added "intent" to your list of critera: an observation, not an insult).
But frankly, I've said many times that I don't hate White people. Nor, do I have an anger against them. This is just a conversation like any
other. And we're discussing White on White racism (by virtue of Greg Palast's comments), White privilege, White guilt, and White shame.
Despite what Harte said about my defense, I respect his approach to this subject. He does admit that there is more meat to chew on rather than
accusing Ms. McKinney. But I am not angry at him. I thanked him.
And I like his approach. I also like df1's comments about Ms. McKinney
and partisanship. It is worthy to discuss his views. Not turn away and write it off as an "agenda".
I expect the author to chastise me once again, but I am going to say this regardless. Before it happens, I apologize for hurting your feelings.
When will you just stop personalizing the subject matter with other people's faults?
Now that happens. It's not an false accusation. It's a true fact.
You are truly wonderful. Even after this, I like you.
I said what I thought because that's how I perceive it. Nothing more. No racist intent behind it. I am still willing to read and consider other
points of view. I reserve the right to answer, though.
I acknowledge my mistakes on this end as well. But I think it is valid to contribute my point of view regardless of your "assumptions" about my
behavior. I don't like how you bring my behavior regarding my comments into this. Pretty much, I loathe it.
Please don't let your bitterness guide you. It's incredibly sad when you do this.
I'm sorry again, you find our talks frustrating. And I care about that. I will try very hard not to make them so. That means, I will be more
considerate of your feelings and your words.
One of things you did do, however, is stray away sometimes from the frustration and explain your point of view. That I value. Especially when you say
you care about people regardless of race. I do too. That is something we agree on.
But I hate it when you misconstrue my words and personalize it. I usually say when I am offended or not. I also say what I hate or not. And your
treatment of my questions and personalizing it with assumptions of racist intent is what truly offends me.
As "my sarcasm" offends you, I will try not to use it around you because I care about your feelings. But on other posts, I reserve the right to use
it whenever I please.
Is that being clear and direct at the person I am aiming for? Good. I hope so. Because usually, I speak in hypotheticals when I'm explaining
concepts or things. It is not meant to hurt anyone. It is merely used as a point. It doesn't mean I don't want to confront people.
I know you'll never answer me again after this post as I would expect because it is probably filled with things that you find offensive.
I could just envision your answers now: (not an insult, just an observation)
"Why should I apologize?"
"Why should I care?"
"I AM NOT A VICTIM".
"That is YOUR problem."
"That is childish."
"Why should it matter to you?"
"That's is an false accusation."
"I find it arrogant to be taught. I just walk away."
"You have an inherent racism that you can't see. YOU are angry about whites."
"I am not that way. I have been very understanding of others on the board. I did debate with you here as well as on your own thread." (In this
case, that you have. And as I said there, I appreciate and am grateful to you for it.)
I want it to return back to the old days in which we did kindly refer to one another and to just discuss things without insult. I'm extremely sorry
for your bitterness. And again, I feel badly that you are feeling the way you do about me. But unfortunately, I can't make you change your feelings
against me. And I'm not going to try.
And yes, there are as many degrees of tolerance as there is racism. But they are not the sum and total possession by one person. They do not
"control" how others think. That is why persuasion is important--whether doggedly or gentle.
I don't set out to control anyone here. I've said that many times. But you think so. That's your problem. However, I would like to
people to think differently. That is what I do. And I do it as a debate and intellectual exercise.
And I have a dogged pursuit of debate. That's what I like to do. I'm sorry it rubs people the wrong way some times. But I think that all issues
people and issues deserve a very involved and proactive defense in light of the charges levied against them. And that means finding out and
researching proof. That isn't bad, despite the unpopular stances sometimes taken. But I do it as i would be willing to do it for anyone or anything
I care deeply about.
It does have to do with passion and tenacity.
But never had I said I was the walking textbook of race and race-relations. I don't want to be. And I certainly do not want others to think so.
But I will contribute my insights and information about race and race-relations. And I will do the research it takes to be clear on issues. And if
people take them, huzzah. If not, okay.
Btw, it's okay if you never speak to me again. I will be hurt and saddened because I am willing to work on this to make things better. But I will
accept it because it is your feelings about the matter. I would even be willing to work on this matter so that we address each other kindly instead
of this bickering that erupts all the time. U2U me if you want to work it out. If not, I accept it. I certainly wouldn't agree with it. But I
would accept it.
Thank you for hearing me about how I perceive the issues regarding race. I am extremely appreciative that you have. I know you possess a kind heart.
And it is that kind heart that I believe in the most when I think of you.
P.S. Thank you for your comments, Odium. You prove once again very even-handed in your approach.
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