Originally posted by Slap Nuts
Originally posted by Harte
The idea that the vast majority of the steel from the site was carted off "under armed guard" is absurd. Entire sections of several naval ships are
made from some of this steel. Even the "American Chopper" series on the Discovery channel got some to incorporate into their FDNY motorcycle.
This steel, minus a quantity reserved for testing, exactly as you claim has not been done by the government, followed the exact same pathway that
practically every single piece of scrap steel follows in our country.
This is categorically false. A minimum of 50,000 TONS was shipped to China immediately.
Mmmmm. That IS odd, considering that it was a couple of months before they could even bring in trucks to haul it away, due to instability in the
underground structure. No trucks, no cranes, no nothing. They even had to get special dredges to clean out debris from the river (the debris was
much to large, heavy and bulky for NYC's usual dredge contractor to even consider removing it) before they could get a barge in, which is how most of
the debris was removed. But to you, I suppose, this is
immediately
BTW,
have you any idea how much scrap steel is shipped from this country to foreign steelworks? Check around Pittsburg to see if there's a
whole lot of scrap metal recycling going on in the shut-down steelmills there.
Originally posted by Slap NutsOne would think that NONE would be shipped away as the site was a CRIME SCENE. There is NO excuse for
this and to use it to "debunk" Jones is a joke.
As stated, the scene was investigated for a couple of months, with samples being taken from the site for testing on a daily basis. You'd know this
already if you didn't get all your info spoon-fed to you from conspiracy websites.
Originally posted by Slap NutsThe steel sent for the ship, coins, motorcycle, etc. was already melted back doen and delivered as
"new" steel, NOT SCRAP.
Nope, the parts used on the motorcycle were scrap metal, I saw this with my own eyes BTW, as were the pieces mounted in virtually every single
memorial. In fact, there is still some scrap steel at ground zero - the remains of a staircase that there is (or was last month) a debate going on
about whether or not to remove it at all, or perhaps leave it as part of a memorial.
Originally posted by Slap Nuts
Originally posted by Harte
I'd go with "Jones does not know what he's talking about," except I don't believe that either. But I will say that Jones is a fairly fringey
individual. As a physicist, he's published work that attempts to
connect some Native American artwork to the New World coming of Jesus Christ (Jones is a Mormon.) Seems to be not only complete nonsense, but
also pretty darn far afield considering his Doctorate.
He did not publish that "as a physicist" he published it as a MORMON. Just because you do not agree with his RELIGIOUS point of view does NOTHING to
discredit his work on this project or in other fields.
If you'll take a second and look at the web address I gave you, you'll see that it's posted at the BYU Physics department's website. Why isn't
it posted on, say, the website of his Temple, or the LDS' main webpage?
I just said he was "fringey," I didn't say that it discredits him.
His webpage, on
the other hand, now
that certainly discredits him.
Originally posted by Slap Nuts
Originally posted by Harte
But Jones was working with Fleischmann and Pons.
So you conceede that his cold fusion work WAS SUCCESSFUL just like the rest of the scientific community, but since it did not generate
commercial value he is somehow "impeached" and his methodical work worthless?
I didn't say it "impeached" anything. I merely pointed out that he was working (and somewhat closely) with two other scientists that
you
have characterized as "frauds." A somewhat loose usage of the term. These two weren't "frauds" in the strictest sense of the term. They were
just wrong - as is Jones, concerning 9/11.
Originally posted by Slap NutsWhy do you think he kept his work SEPERATE from F&P? Probably because he knew they were sloppy frauds.
That is why he did his OWN work and published seperately.
Actually, no. The real difference between the two research efforts lay in the method used to measure the results. Jones was measuring neutron
emission. The other two were looking for increases in heat energy. Perhaps you could actually go to the sites I linked you to, or at the very least
read the part I included as an "external source" in my previous post. If you do, you'll see that it states
right there in plain English
that the two sets of researchers had initially agreed to publish their findings
together, but Fleischmann and Pons reneged.
Jone's method uses the quantum effect called "tunneling." This is a natural effect that happens all the time. So his "fusion" might well be
happening right now in my little toe. Jone's contribution was to use muons which makes the tunneling much more likely. IOW, all he did was increase
the likelihood of the "tunneling" effect which resulted in more easily measurable results. Without the muons, the same reaction does occur, and all
the time. It's just not so easily measurable because it's not happening as often as it will with muons. Fact is, his achievement in that
experiment had more to do with devising a more sensitive neutron detection method than it had to do with any fusion breakthrough.
Harte
