WTC Steel Analysis Reveals Thermite and Thermate By-Products, page 1

Originally posted by Slap Nuts

The key is the QUANTITY and the chemical bonding. They will release the full analysis soon and the compouns present will show that your batteries would have needed to be glued to the columns with some thermite.

You are assuming that this was found in small quantities.

So far the arguments are:

- Lack of evidence. (The fault of the government)
- Magic, spontaneous thermate (the sulphur, molten iron and aluminum-oxide came from somwhere else)
- Jones does not know what he is talking about (Then refute the science, not the man)

Am I missing any?

The idea that the vast majority of the steel from the site was carted off "under armed guard" is absurd. Entire sections of several naval ships are made from some of this steel. Even the "American Chopper" series on the Discovery channel got some to incorporate into their FDNY motorcycle.

This steel, minus a quantity reserved for testing, exactly as you claim has not been done by the government, followed the exact same pathway that practically every single piece of scrap steel follows in our country.

I'd go with "Jones does not know what he's talking about," except I don't believe that either. But I will say that Jones is a fairly fringey individual. As a physicist, he's published work that attempts to connect some Native American artwork to the New World coming of Jesus Christ (Jones is a Mormon.) Seems to be not only complete nonsense, but also pretty darn far afield considering his Doctorate.

Originally posted by Slap Nuts
You are confusing Jones with Fleischmann and Pons, do some research. Fleischmann and Pons were proven to be frauds. Jones was measuring neutron flux, his expiriments WERE successful and accepted though the had little commercial value.

But Jones was working with Fleischmann and Pons.

Both teams were in Utah, and met on several occasions to discuss sharing work and techniques. During this time Fleischmann and Pons described their experiments as generating considerable "excess energy", excess in that it could not be explained by chemical reactions alone. If this were true, their device would have considerable commercial value, and should be protected by patents. Jones was measuring neutron flux instead, and seems to have considered it primarily of scientific interest, not commercial. In order to avoid problems in the future, the teams apparently agreed to simultaneously publish their results, although their accounts of their March 6 meeting differ.

In mid-March both teams were ready to publish, and Fleischmann and Jones had agreed to meet at the airport on the 24th to send their papers at the exact same time to Nature by Federal Express. However Fleischmann and Pons broke that apparent agreement : they had submitted a paper to the Journal of Electroanalytical Chemistry on the 11th, and they disclosed their work in the press conference the day before. Jones, apparently furious at being "scooped", faxed in his paper to Nature as soon as he saw the press announcements.[5]

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While it's true that Jones' method differs from the debunked method, and that Jones recognized early on that his device had no commercial value, it still says a lot about Jones that he would trumpet his technique as cold fusion when what he actually has could just as easily be merely called a neutron source. Jones' method holds out exactly no hope for energy generation.

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