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Originally posted by Strodyn
just look at any red/green pics to see how little difference there is between a distant object and a close one......compare where the red and green parts are without the glasses...........there are millimeters difference
hopefully that explains why I dont think this is acceptable science.
Originally posted by heelstone
I'm not particularly fond of these photos, but I don't see how you could get a correct stereoscopic image from them. Looking at the mirror on the vehicle, you can see that both pictures were taken at very different angles. Far wider than any human eyes would be. So I would imagine you would get a very incorrect 3D view as a result.
Originally posted by rich23
What is it about people that makes the need to debunk so pressing?
If you look at the foreground you will see that the thorn bushes are very different. It's impossible to know how far away they are, but they are in different positions. Likewise, the object appears differently-sized in each picture.
No meaningful triangulation data can come out of this. It's a pointless exercise, from which you might get literally seconds of fun.
I'm as loath to be hoaxed as the next person. But I'd prefer my debunking with a little more rigour, thanks.
Originally posted by Strodyn
You have admitted that you had to make 'adjustments' to the picture, and that millimetres make a big difference. Those two facts completely mean that nothing can be concluded that could not in original images.
I am sure you could make that thing look 100ft wide and 3 miles away with the right adjustments.
The original images clearly show that the object is in a different position, just look at its vertical position over the ground, therefore in the generation of your red/green image (presumable by making one pic green, and one red, then superimposing), the object is going to look very close, as the difference in the red/green seperation is very large compared with distant objects.
That could either be because it is a close object, that has not moved; or that it is something in the distance that has moved.
Your pictures cannot answer this....no other 3D pictures will use any significant period of time seperation exactly due to this very reason. If an object moves in the distance, then the two images will show that it is a lot closer, thereby altering the true representation of the scene.
The NASA pictures that you mentioned have no optical basis for their 3D effect....unless the time difference between the photos taken is hundreds of thousands of years a part (or millions of miles), there would be no visible difference in the relative positioning of the stars.......basically they are computer generated.
The postioning of the camera man could very well explain the apparent movement of the object, and therefore the reason why it looks looks close......closer analysis of the original two images may confirm this, but unfortunately your pseudo 3D images will not.
Originally posted by Strodyn
I thought tbh as a '3D' artist you would understand what I explained
And if you can analyze the photos better than I can, let me know what you come up with. I'd rather have the thing be "real," and not a hoax, but the proof is in the pictures. At least a little more with 3-D, anyway.
Hey, whatever works. I just arranged the photos cross-eyed because of the large size. I find it's easier to see larger stereo pairs by eye-crossing, rather than de-focusing.
But, yeah, I'm one of those people who prefers less bunk.
As I said, I was hoping for a different outcome. I was hoping as much as anyone could that the image would show a nice, big saucer approximately 25 feet in diameter, hovering several hundred yards away from the truck. That would have been the coolest!
Like I said, I was really hoping for a different outcome. Had it conclusively showed a big craft, hovering several hundred yards away, that would have been awesome! But it didn't. Maybe there are some other photo pairs out there from other sightings, that will, though. I'm still looking. Next, I think I'll try to find some good stereo pairs of Billy Meier photos. Just to see.
Continued lack of convincing physical evidence. UFOs and aliens sure are good at covering their tracks, aside from a few questionable ground traces. And the ground traces the have been found usually don't have much "alien" about them. Well, of course they wouldn't, if they came from Earth in the first place.
* General elusiveness. These aliens and UFOs are sure slippery rascals. The always seem to stay just out of reach, and never quite leave any evidence that could pin them down. Sort of like Gilligan always screwing things up just enough so the castaways don't get off the island. It's ridiculous. As skeptics say, how come, with all the sightings, isn't there even one piece of completely convincing evidence found?
I don't agree. I think most people think some kind of ET life exists, and probably intelligent life, to boot.
Of course, they're completely and utterly WRONG, and don't have a single iota of proof upon which to base that belief.
Anyway, after nearly 40 years of interest in UFOs and space and other similar stuff, I prefer to take the harsh skeptical approach first, since it saves so much time when the information is later proven to be junk.
I would just like to point out that the White Chinese Aliens who built the White Pyramids and left holographic Dropa Stones of their incredible journey were mostly responsible for building the first Hidden Moon Bases on the Dark Side, using advanced Vimana, as well as more crude Chemical Rockets. The Nazis stole this technology, but were unable to create the necessary Machine-Mind Links to make their Vril Saucers stable enough to with the "War." Only after God-Fearing Americans captured the technology were they able to refine the Machine-Mind Link using specially-trained Schoolchildren raised in an Atomic Environment by the Rockefellers. The Roswell Saucer crashed upon returning from a mission to find and reactivate a Hidden Alien Moon Base. With the aid of a large Tesla Trans- Dimensional Power Station constructed in 1957 in a Crater on the Dark Side, we have been able to make Peaceful Contact with the Annunaki from the Interstellar Planet Nibiru, who in turn paved the way for our Personnel Exchange with the Greys of Planet Serpo, who are helping us develop our Zero-Point Energy systems and Stargates.
But I could be wrong.
They don't give an answer, because any answer they give will force them to prove that their own ricidulous whiz-bang alien stories are something other than a load of crap, and they won't be able to do it. It's so obvious! That's been standard operating procedure for these dopey contactees since day one. If somebody else comes up with a similar stupid story, don't debunk it, because somebody will turn around and debunk you in the process. I mean, after all, if the cosmos is just one big, happy smorgasbord of interacting planets and civilizations, then all the stories would be pretty much the same, right? Using the same names and everything. But the stories AREN'T the same, because they're mostly made up by individual whack-jobs out of their own fizzled-out neurons. Because there is no such thing, nobody can prove it, and if you go along with one of these liars, then why not go along with them all? It all adds up to the same thing. Bad, bad, really bad science fiction from dull people with limited imaginations. And not to insult you personally or anything, but if you believe this stuff, you're a drooling idiot and a dolt. No insult intended.
I think it's the reflection off some kind of line or tether. Ever see a single strand spider web stretched out in the sun? Well, it doesn't reflect all the way along the strand, but usually in just one, bright, saucer-shaped point. And if the strand or line moves up and down, or changes angle in some way, the reflection point will appear to move backwards and forwards against the background. Fast, too. Like moving a laser pointer along a wall. You can make the dot "move" faster than a bullet along the wall.
See the trick with this video is how white the clouds are. They make it seem like the shiny spot is moving back and forth behind the far clouds, when it's probably really in front of the clouds and a lot closer than you think.
I happen to think that it's probably some kind of thin transparent fishing line or something, either being moved by somebody or blowing in the wind. As a matter of fact, the motion looks a lot like somebody reeling in a fish or a lure.
Does it? Or does it just look like it? The shiny dot "disappears" against the clouds, but what makes you think it's going behind them? Your expectations? The dot and the clouds are both so bright, it's impossible to tell the difference, and because you believe the dot is behind the clouds, that's what it looks like to you.
I'm telling you, think about some kind of line. Maybe not fishing line. Maybe some long ELF transmitting antenna from an airplane. My guess is fishing line or some other kind of shiny line. If the clouds weren't so bright, or the contrast was a little lower, you could probably see it against the clouds.
quote: Originally posted by masterp
Of course I am not saying alien civilisations do not exist. Of course they do.
originally posted by Enkidu No, they don't. There's not a single shred of evidence for it. And any "statistical" speculation still gives you a pretty strong bottom range of zero.
Originally posted by mojo4sale
Now im confused as to where you actually stand, are you
(a) just confusingly hypocritical
(b) trying a bit of subtle dis-info.
my money's on b. This seems to be the way it works, first offer up evidence that you feel you can debunk all the while professing to hope that its wrong and that your really a believer. When someone posts a contrary opinion you would then drag out your evidence while still of course stating that you hope your wrong but unfortunately you dont think so. Soon theres a whole heap of opinions being offered up, a few debunkers join in and any thing meaningful is soon lost in a sea of rhetoric. If all you are doing is trying to debunk some photo's then come out and say so, stop pretending to be sympathetic to the cause just to try and validate your case.
originally posted by EnkiduOtherwise, if you truly believe, without reasonable and logical and testable proof, that Earth is controlled by the Lizard People from Zeta Reticuli II, who genetically engineered monkeys to mine gold and who now operate from secret bases in Atlantis, which is buried in Antarctica, well, good for you. You're an idiot.
Originally posted by kklover
omg ur right that is so wierd Congrats on the find
Originally posted by longhaircowboy
Now if you could figure out some way the McMinnville photos were faked I'd be really interested.
Originally posted by Enkidu
P.S. - I was able to find some very large, high-def scans of them on Internet, so I'll see what I can do.