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Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures -- including Tyrannosaurus Rex -- were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth.
Back to it never raining before the flood. All moisture was said to have been provided by a mist that rose from the ground and fountains of water that sprung from below. When God decided to destroy man, His creation, because man had succumbed to wickedness, He brought down the water canopy to cause the flood.
As far as the flood being a local vs. global event, Bible scholars say that due to the fact there are still occasional local flooding events of some magnitude, the flood had to be global,
As for as the topic of discussion, I have heard of this guy and don't find anything amzing about his theory , other than some one actually got a bunch of ppl to belive it.
As for the "Noah's Ark" case? From everything that I have ever heard or read, there is much to be debated, the sheer size of the Ark would been a feet in itself, but who's to say it wasn't possible of that time , with enough help of man-power and materials?
This is a topic that is highly debatable, and one that I am now in the process of creating a thread for. I would appreciate your opinions in that thread, by the way. But just as a starter, there is the interesting fact that Utnapishtim, which is the name of the Sumerian Noah character in the Gilgamesh myth(I assume this is what you are referring to) is translated from Hebrew to mean, "he who walks as a pillar of righteousness". Little coincidental to have come before the Bible story of Noah, IMO.
The whole flood issue is a direct rip from an ancient summerien myth that predate's monotheistic religion.
We can see many instances of the judaistic religion borrowing from older culture's, mythologies, holidays, symbols, etc.
Originally posted by jta79
Exactly. I'm not a religious researcher or anything, but I know I am correct when I say that the Bible was NOT written in English and I dont care what language you translate into what language, there's always things that just dont come out the same, and somethings can mean something else totally different.
Also a question of the 'biblical flood' Is there even enough water tied up on this earth to actually account for a flood of such magnitude? Been thinking of that for a while...
[edit on 18-5-2006 by jta79]
Originally posted by jta79
On the manpower portion of this. Wasnt the arc supposidly built alone by Noah? And if Noah was to recruit enough manpower to pull off this amazing feat dont you think, noah being out numbered and all by the 'wicked' people that are working for him I dont think that noah would be leaving in his little boat alone with his animals.
And another point. If noah was to be the only man on this ship, it would have been impossible to tend all of those animals. They have to eat after all, I've worked in pig barns of 2500 sows, and I know for sure I wouldnt beabled to tend 2500 animals alone not even thinking about millions. (gotta carry Lots of Something for t-rex to eat wouldn't you?)
I know for a fact if I had helped some guy build an arc, helped him load millions of animals onto it, there's no chance in hell that that boat will be leaving ANYWHERE without me on it. And If the boss wanted to protest that, I think he would be one of the people doing the backstroke.
Originally posted by eagle eye
We could argue alot on the subject but we will always remain in the dark because we dont have any trust source to rely on. Religion or science i say its the same BS.
On some fact i found over the years, i saw the dr Dino docs who show some very conclusive fossilize footprint of dinosaur(very large but you can always suspect somthing other than a dinosaur) with human footprint, making me thinks dinosaur could have live with human.
Originally posted by melatonin
As for juveniles, the sex of many species are difficult to determine when juvenile and when mature. Of course, I suppose god helped out here.
13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
15 Every raven after his kind;
16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.