How will our forces react to attacking Iran?

Considering how many reports have stated that allied forces in Iraq have gradually been turned against the war, and that more and more soldiers of all ranks are speaking out against Bush's reasoning for going into Iraq, how do you think our forces will react if and when the order is given to once again go to war?

Soldiers have already refused to serve, statistics show that the number of soldiers going AWOL since the war started has trebled, and as we see constantly on tv, high ranking officers are speaking out against the goverment on not only the way Iraq is going, but about preperations for Iran too.

Do you think we could see a lot of servicemen and women refusing to go? Or will they just do as they are told as usual and serve thier country as they are supposed to? There seem to be more and more sites cropping up on the internet related to soldiers against the war, but will they take it further than just airing thier views verbally?

Personally, if the reasons for going to war with Iran are at all dubious when the time comes, i would'nt blame them whatever they chose.

CX.

Your 'facts' are incorrect...........provide some links to this 'information' that you have.

Originally posted by ferretman2
Your 'facts' are incorrect...........provide some links to this 'information' that you have.

Hmmm, ok let me re-read and get back to ya. Cheers.

CX.

Those facts are dead wrong. Their are people in the service who are on their second and third tour.

Ok here goes. I'll try to provide links to info relating to my comments.

"Soldiers are being turned against the war in Iraq", and "soldiers have refused to serve". Here just two of numerous sites across the net dedicated to soldiers agaist the war. Soldiers who have and are serving. Please don't attack me on the quality of these sites, i can happily spend more time posting links to all the other major ones. I'm just highlighting some of my facts. These sites and the many others cover my first comments i believe?

www.veteransforpeace.org...
www.tomjoad.org...

"Soldiers of all ranks are speaking out against Bush's reasoning for going to Iraq".
Again, this is just a couple of hundreds of examples you can find on the net. I think that covers soldiers of all ranks?

www.war-times.org...
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Ok, "Soldiers going AWOL since the Iraq war started have trebled".

Ok this one is for the UK forces....

www.refusingtokill.net...

This one refers to the US.

www.objector.org...

Next, "High ranking officers speaking out against preperations for Iran".

www.americanfreepress.net...

www.countercurrents.org... ......highlighting a part of this link.....

“Many military officers and specialists, however, view the saber rattling with alarm. A strike at Iran, they warn, would at best just delay its nuclear program by a few years but could inflame international opinion against the United States, particularly in the Muslim world and especially within Iran, while making US troops in Iraq targets for retaliation.”

As i've said already, these are but a tiny amount available on the net, and i'm very suprised if you have'nt heard about the poor moral of allied troops, the troops refusing to serve, the thoughts of the military's top brass about the Bush administration and some of thier plans? It's constantly in the news, well it it is when the media has the balls to show it!

Some of these articles that i have posted admittedly are a couple of years old, but i promise you i could find up to date examples if needed.

Anywayyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Hopefully that covers some of the facts you wanted. Facts or not, they are what the soldiers on the ground are going through and you can't really argue with the vast amount of info out there on this. So going back to my first question, how will our forces react when told to go to war with Iraq?

CX.

Originally posted by steve99
Those facts are dead wrong. Their are people in the service who are on their second and third tour.

I'm not talking about ALL the mebers of the armed forces, i know there are plenty of people who are ok with what is happening over there in the areas of conflict. What i'm highlighting is the amount of troops who obviously are not. This appears to be growing all the time Bush is president and looking for the next war and i think people are getting fed up with it. Obviously some of the troops are too. Some, not all!

Please read my thread as it is, a question about how troops will react when there is so much bad taste in peoples mouths already. If you really can't see that some of the troops are unhappy out there, then you're missing something very important.

Thank you,

CX.

well i know the morale of the soldiers is down i did 2 tours in iraq and am now part of iraq veterans against the war more and more soldiers or comming out.
but it is not enough. there are alot who are against the war and dont like being there but are afraid to speak out. we have a protest in on the 16 17 18 of this mont against haliburten were we are trying to encourage more vets to come out an another one on the 29th in nyc. alot of my memebers in ivaw or active or awol or still tied to the military in some way. alot of them heard about ivaw while there were in iraq. any of our pamphlets or considered contraband. if something happens with iran or wen we will have alot of our soldiers out there becuase they are afraid to come out the punishment or getting worse a buddy of mine camillo meja he became an objector on his 2nd tour and he did a yr in the brig and court mashalled. check out www.ivaw.net and the veterans for peace website about upcomming events

Honestly? If war is declared on Iran I see mass dessertions, demoralised troops, people returning back nervous wrecks, and so forth. Why? Because it would be so OBVIOUS that it was a bogus war. Imagine....dying for greed, for nothing. I know I'd dessert for sure. I'd spill blood only for a worthy cause, not for some Machiavellic machination by a bunch of spooks. What has Iran done to anybody? They haven't waged a war in 800 years (with the exception of the one Iraq declared on them). Iranians are proud to be peaceful, they have nothing to gain from petty land squabbles in Palestine because they are Persians, they care nothing about starting anything against their neighbors, and the whole nuclear thing is just being wildly overblown by the media. It's really the truth. They already have nuclear weapons if you ask me, if they wanted to start nuclear war I'm sure enriching Uranium from the start in a vulnerable plant would be the clumsiest way to do so.

Thank you, at least someone realises whats going on in the real world!

Hopefully more will remove the blinkers sooner rather than later.

CX.

'Scuse me but aren't a lot of insurgents coming into Iraq from Iran?

Doesn't Ahmandinejad boast of waging a jihadist crusade (couldn't resist), against all infidels (such as the 'unbelievers' filling up the belly of the Great Satan, USA -- "Hey, thanks for naming the park after us short stuff!").

'Scuse me but aren't a lot of materials for IEDs, etc. coming into Iraq from Iran?

Why does Iran need offensive missles capable of delivering nuclear warheads? Maybe it's a play on spelling, right? It really does want them for piecetime use as in blowing Israel and all Zionist nations to pieces.

'Scuse me but what do the soldiers in Iraq think of war with Iran?

Just some thoughts...

When you sign on the dotted line, you better know what your signing on for. I don't remember whining about my situation during the 1st Iraq War (which is actually the one we're still fighting, breach of Surrender anyone). I wore the uniform and saluted smartly regarless of the order.

I'm sorry, but if this is the quality of soldier that we are fielding now (can't spell?) I mean come on, what do you expect? Desertion is the least of my worrie's. They'll probably be worse on the enemy if they desert there anyway! Please keep 'em!

[edit on 13-5-2006 by HimWhoHathAnEar]

signs, I think it's a question of common sense. If your enemy invaded your neighbor, you would make his life a living hell anyway you could. Especially Iran- Greater nuclear Persia if they get their way. Would you resist? Let's suppose in some twilight zone scenario China invaded Canada, wouldn't we funnel the canucks all the IEDs they could eat to kick out the Chinese? It's one thing to make a decision beneficial to your nation (but detrimental to peace on the whole) and to plan nuclear war. It's of a qualitative difference. You simply cannot compare a few IEDs Iran funnels to a few Militias in Iraq to planning to make a nuclear bomb to annhilate their neighbors. It's simply not the same thing, and you need to consider that when your considering military action which could unleash a fiery holocaust upon the world of war (ie: invading another middle eastern nation).

Do you think their were deserters and soldiers that didn't want to fight during both world wars,the civil war. It is part of any war. I don't think the numbers are any more or less than past wars.