Born Again? The Grand Conspiracy?

Born Again
Enlightenment
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Holy Grail
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Christ Consciousness
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Why so many? Is there something to it? Are these reality or just myth?

Is there only one path or are the paths many?

Can such things be achieved in western civilization or was that just a choice made prior for our deeper edification?

Will there ever be enough solid evidence of the spiritual or is the point to increase our faith?

Are the governments, the rulers, the leaders as dumb as they act or is that The Grand Conspiracy?

these things are definatly real. but every individuals path is different, and MUST be different or we'd all be the same (or so to speak). and the reason it is so hard to convince people about the truth of spirituality, is simple. how can you show someone something that cant be seen? u cant. its like proving God is real, when u cant see him(or her, or it). it basically boils down to believing in something that u cant see, having faith. i think that most major religions are correct, in the fact that if you follow the religions laws, the world will live in harmony.(like the ten commandments for christians) but the thing is, u HAVE to follow the rules or else the world will become corrupt. because if i think that if i will be forgiven for my sins, it doesnt really matter if i sin or not, because i will be forgiven. isnt that all that matters? NO WAY. but we still try our best, or so we say. and everyone can live without sinning, everyone. its just a hard decision to make. but its up to you. that i think is enlightenment, or at least a form of it. but you have to find your own path, and when you do you MUST follow it. or you will have trouble.
so i think it doesnt matter what God you believe in, just that you believe in his higher power, and you follow his rules.

Cheers!

These are simply parallels for different cultures, religions, beliefs etc..but they all can pretty much give off the same meanings as oneanother. But then, that also depends on the person deciding

We do all have different/various paths we must walk to achieve enlightenment. And it all depends on *you* and those who walk beside you, how far you must go or where you must go to achieve these places or this place.

Our paths are different, but most of our endings or outcomes are the same..we all desire a certain goal that can be defined differently, but ultimately are the same..
Happy Trails!
Mags

These are all different paths to the same truth.
I remember hearing a story from a freind.
I forgot who stated this,
The truth is one big puzzle shuffled up and thrown amiss, every piece( religion) a piece to the turth.
Im not sure if that is how it is exactly stated, but its from vauge memory.
Deep

Enter ye in at the strait gate, says the Lord, for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it (Matt. 7:13-14).
Strive to enter in at the strait gate, says the Lord on another occasion, for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able (Luke 13:28)


And why does He say all this???

: Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me (Mark 8:34).

As Saint Paul says, Fight the good fight -I Tim. 6:12).

Thus the Apostle Peter writes: "If when you do well and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is accepted with God. For even here unto were ye called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that we should follow his steps" (I Pet. 2:2-21). In precisely the same way the holy Apostle Paul says repeatedly in his epistles that all true Christians must be ascetics, and the ascetic labor of the Christian consists of crucifying himself for the sake of Christ: "They that are Christians have crucified the flesh together with the passions and lusts" (Gal. 5:24).
A favorite expression of St. Paul is that we must be crucified with Christ that we might rise with Him. He puts forth this thought in a variety of his sayings in many of his epistles.

The divine Founder of the Church, our Lord Jesus Christ, said clearly, "I will build my Church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against Her" (St. Matt xvi, 1 . To the Church, He sent the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit descended upon the Apostles, the Spirit of Truth (St. John xv, 16f) Who "manifests all things" to Her and guides Her (St. John xvi, 13), protecting Her from error. Indeed, it was to declare this Truth to men that the Lord came into the cosmos, according to His own words (St. John xviii, 31). And Saint Paul confirms this fact in his letter to his pupil, the bishop Timothy, saying that, "the Church of the living God is the ground and pillar of the Truth" (I Tim iii, 15).

and attaching the CHRIST body to some church after his life....
but if we are to do such lets quote him correctly

"did i not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of GOD"

he said believe, not specifically in him, but through him one can ascertain the presence of the Great Father, and recgonizing that presence one can believe in him...

believing in him is as believing in all that is...
yet, without people begin to judge their fellow man and have no faith in them...

that does not necessarily mean worship him even though worship is acceptable, it does mean believe:believe in something greater than man, as well as the greatness within them...

Originally posted by uIVIa

Christ Consciousness

It's Krishna Consciousness. As in Hare Krishna.

the book Ascension: The True Quest For The Holy Grail: Ancient Secret Sceinces Revealed is good about this subject, well some of the things in it are kinda odd but it has some good info in it about this whole subject, i'll add some quotes from it when i get back home tomorrow nite

yet "his" minions will not make me believe a thing...

Its actually very fascinating how similar in respect to themes in the various faiths, which are often touted as the more important and relevant to religious
beliefs (in general) really are.

Even the idea that some systems of belief are more spiritual, while others are more religious, is simply not valid.

With respect to this I would refer to the recent entries in my Blog.



[Edited on 19-10-2003 by Toltec]

Originally posted by Toltec
Its actually very fascinating how similar in respect to themes in the various faiths, which are often touted as the more important and relevant to religious
beliefs (in general) really are.

Even the idea that some systems of belief are more spiritual, while others are more religious, is simply not valid.

With respect to this I would refer to the recent entries in my Blog.



[Edited on 19-10-2003 by Toltec]

Yes, I was quite surprised reading your blog as we were thinking along the same lines that day.

Originally posted by banjoechef
the book Ascension: The True Quest For The Holy Grail: Ancient Secret Sceinces Revealed is good about this subject, well some of the things in it are kinda odd but it has some good info in it about this whole subject, i'll add some quotes from it when i get back home tomorrow nite

Who is the author of said manuscript?

Originally posted by bigsage
yet "his" minions will not make me believe a thing...

All is real and all is make believe. It's for you to decide that which you want to be real for yourself. "His" minions are correct in respect to their perspective. One can move towards unity moving along the path of darkness. The entities that choose the dark path fail to realize though, it's much harder than the lighted path. And seeing that I'm lazy guess which path I choose.

Originally posted by NotTooHappy

Originally posted by uIVIa

Christ Consciousness

It's Krishna Consciousness. As in Hare Krishna.

There are such teachings as "Christ Consciousness". I am aware that there is also Krishna Consciousness.

Originally posted by helen670
Enter ye in at the strait gate, says the Lord, for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it (Matt. 7:13-14).
Strive to enter in at the strait gate, says the Lord on another occasion, for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able (Luke 13:28)


And why does He say all this???

: Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me (Mark 8:34).

As Saint Paul says, Fight the good fight -I Tim. 6:12).

Thus the Apostle Peter writes: "If when you do well and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is accepted with God. For even here unto were ye called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that we should follow his steps" (I Pet. 2:2-21). In precisely the same way the holy Apostle Paul says repeatedly in his epistles that all true Christians must be ascetics, and the ascetic labor of the Christian consists of crucifying himself for the sake of Christ: "They that are Christians have crucified the flesh together with the passions and lusts" (Gal. 5:24).
A favorite expression of St. Paul is that we must be crucified with Christ that we might rise with Him. He puts forth this thought in a variety of his sayings in many of his epistles.

The divine Founder of the Church, our Lord Jesus Christ, said clearly, "I will build my Church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against Her" (St. Matt xvi, 1 . To the Church, He sent the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit descended upon the Apostles, the Spirit of Truth (St. John xv, 16f) Who "manifests all things" to Her and guides Her (St. John xvi, 13), protecting Her from error. Indeed, it was to declare this Truth to men that the Lord came into the cosmos, according to His own words (St. John xviii, 31). And Saint Paul confirms this fact in his letter to his pupil, the bishop Timothy, saying that, "the Church of the living God is the ground and pillar of the Truth" (I Tim iii, 15).

Using one book to answer all of life's questions is like a scientist that uses a text book to discover new things.

I agree with your perceptions. After much study in different areas they all seem to point in the same direction. I'm sure there are other "names" that I didn't mention. So any comments on The Grand Conspiracy?

How much time has passed since this became obvious to those responsible for human welfare?

I tend to think along the lines of 1500 years citing that around that time communication between those in power (be it religious or political) in the eastern hemisphere was pretty well established.

Of course with respect to the context of the world 400 years ago years ago is more realistic. Nonetheless, for me it is startling in regards to the magnitude of this deception. It does seem organized to the extent some form of centralized system of control must have been required (meaning from the context of an administrative body or as often termed a secret society).

It would seem the intent was to diminish the over all value of spiritual and religious experiences. In regards to its value to the human condition and involved the gamut, with respect to the leadership of the known systems of belief.

The strangeness of this, is further complicated with respect to who religions are suppose to aspire for leadership, in respect to such matters.

This of course being an uncreated God.

Sugest to me that the uncreated God wanted all these wars, torture, poverty, abuse and separateness between culture's and my response is, then why are they fundamentally so similar?

Common sense dictates that such a condition was meant for mankind when they started to come together to discover and respect.

As result it seems reasonable, that with respect to this situation. The major religions of the world deferred their authority over the masses to another agent or leader besides the uncreated God (or for that matter the prophets).

To all concerned, lets keep in mind this is R&S for those who wish to present the nature of this discussion from the context of responses, which focus on its political aspects.

Would ask they be presented in alternative forums, which better fit that issue in regards to the topic.

In respect to that though would state that issues such as separation of church and state simply, did not apply prior to the advent to the US

Any thoughts?

Originally posted by uIVIa
Can such things be achieved in western civilization or was that just a choice made prior for our deeper edification?

I believe that Western civilization is a good way to achieve this.
In general you are left to make your own choice.

People in other parts of the world are almost forced to believe either through attrition or duty.
That's when you've got problem.

Why even ask this type of question? Do you really feel that we are all going to say the same thing, be in agreement?


There is one way to the Father, and that is through the Son. All those who accept Him, profess His name, and repent from and ask forgiveness for their sins, will be saved.

As there is one Supreme Engineer, we are all basically the same, and we respond to the same basic inputs and give the same basic outputs. This is known by the enemy, the one who roams the earth seeking those whom he might devour. If there is but one way, yet many similar facimilies to distract the sheep from the Shepard, more will fall into the fate that was meant only for Satan and the one third that rebelled against God - Hell. If the facimilies did not have the same basic tenets of truth, it would go against engineering, and few would be deceived.

Therein lies the conspiracy, the ultimate conspiracy, and the oldest conspiracy ever.

[Edited on 19-10-2003 by Thomas Crowne]

Thomas what you are suggesting is if that the leaders of the Eastern hemisphere had gotten together say about 1000 years ago and agreed that the basic tenants of there individual belief systems, Were so similar there was actually no need to argue about the differences world history would have been what??

How would that have affected what occurred when East
met west (in respect to hemisphere's)?

Your suggesting God wanted these conflicts and that all other religions are inherently evil (besides Christianity).

Based upon what is your argument?

The differences?

If all religions are basically the same your argument is based upon differences, which can be defined as semantic.

In other words the differences are relevant only to an extent they can be defined as clever advertising, in respect to how similar products are defined.

Again, in other words, the difference is analogous to taste in cars, one may prefer a Porsche to a Corvette but both are still cars.

My impression is the point in bringing up the argument, is that it is relevant to the topic of Religion and Spiritualism.

As well as from the context of it clearly being a conspiratorial and deceptive act imposed upon the masses.

What Satan (as you seem to define it) wants is conflict in man, which is based upon what?

Let me sugest that it is semantics and in this case, the death count shows he is getting away with it. TC look into te manner in which Satanist (specifically Setians) act to acertain a human sacrafice and you will see what I mean.

Any thoughts?

PS: Do not understand why you would sugest this discussion is the result of some expectation we will all agree What I hope is the result of one placing a response in this forum to any topic, is with respect to what they think (sincerely).

[Edited on 19-10-2003 by Toltec]