Important story? No
Funny? Yes
This stuff happens.
On the plus side, I have pics of a REAL f-22 cockpit

Originally posted by uuhelpus

On the plus side, I have pics of a REAL f-22 cockpit

I'll bite shall I? What do you mean, this one isn't real, or have I misunderstood?

If there is no other way to open a jammed canopy than by cutting it with a chainsaw then I call that a serious design flaw. I understand the reluctance to use the canopy jettison feature if there is no danger to the pilot, but there should be some way to access the canopy latches from outside the aircraft and remove the canopy without damaging the plane. I'd go as far as chilling the canopy with a CO2 extingusher and shattering it. A new canopy and a Shop Vac would be all that's needed for cleanup. As far as the price tag on a new canopy goes, I'd be curious as to how that compairs to canopy prices for other aircraft.

Originally posted by uuhelpus
Important story? No

Hmmm...So...not an important story???

Imagine a pilot making an emergency landing due to a fire on-board etc...The pilot needs to get out of there asap...but he cant?

Still think its not important???

Originally posted by waynos
What do you mean, this one isn't real, or have I misunderstood?

I think he meant that because of your post he now has pictures of the F-22 cockpit!


Mic

Ah right, I see. 'Durr' on me then.

Thanks

Im not paranoid at all.

But this plane gets more negative attention than any on the planet, even for issue’s that have occurred in one way or another for almost every plane in history. Why? Because it’s expensive and supposedly the best. But does that make what is in all likelyhood a very minor technical issue something that’s news worthy? No it doesn’t, but here you are and friends jumping on it like its something telling about the program.

Waynos, why not report all the 1000’s of tech issues that some plane is experiencing someplace in the world on any one of the many 10,000’s of planes out there? Why is this one any different? It’s not other than the fact that you and other have an agenda against it.

What if I posted this story about a new Cessna design some guy named Ned just bought and wants to fly his grandkids around in? That news? Then why is this news?

"Hey, you all hear that Neds new plane's door got stuck?", "Yeah, they had to cut the door off...", “Wow that’s nuts, what’s for dinner?”


What’s the malfunction with this plane? A locking mechanism or a control for that mechanism? Common people, get some spice in your lives, if this is news then man things must be slow where you live. I bet the mechanism in question is no different than any on all the other types of fighters in the US inventory, just adapted. It’s a f’ing’ lock for pete’s sake! And its not like they have a pattern for this stuff, getting out and using it is the only way to refine and perfect it, no matter how much it costs.

But that somehow has turned into some big sign about the Raptor. Talk about stretching…

Originally posted by kilcoo316
I now know how to beat every F-22 in the inventory...


nick all the WD-40 from the airbase



*If they don't have WD-40 in the US and elsewhere its spray on oil = genius invention

ermmm, in case you dont know this WD-40 was invented in the US so yeah, we have it lol.


On another note, dont let that crap get to you skippy. The USAF realises how invaluable this fighter is. We spent lots of money to develop this plane and it is well worth the money.

Who maintains air superiority in the world? we do because we spend so much money on these planes.

Look at how many of our allies are standing in line for the JSF?

If there is one market we can probably take the lead on, its selling weaponry.

the Ruskies do good to because they sell their stuff rather cheaply.

Such a shame that had to happen to such a beautiful aircraft...

Ah well, chalk it up to "(crap) happens" eh?

Originally posted by XphilesPhan

On another note, dont let that crap get to you skippy. The USAF realises how invaluable this fighter is. We spent lots of money to develop this plane and it is well worth the money.

Who maintains air superiority in the world? we do because we spend so much money on these planes.

Look at how many of our allies are standing in line for the JSF?

If there is one market we can probably take the lead on, its selling weaponry.

the Ruskies do good to because they sell their stuff rather cheaply.

Cost is irrelevant. In Vietnam multi million dollar frontline jets were shot down trying to destroy $5 bicycles.
(Expensive) F-4s, F-105s were shot down by cheap and older Mig-17/19s that did not even have AAM capabilities. The F-22 may be a great plane with great capabilities, but it is not the beet all and end all of all fighters. Every great weapon system ever built has been countered and re countered. The deciding factor in every military campaign from now until eternity will be decided with strategy, skill, and or luck.

$180K is about average. We had an F-15A accidentally eject the canopy, and it was around $100K for it. The F-16C/D and other planes from around then and later use a gold lining in the canopy. It's to help the pilot with glare, and in the event of a nuke going off in the distance, keeps them from being flashblinded by the explosion.

Originally posted by skippytjc
But this plane gets more negative attention than any on the planet

That's because it is considered to be the best that's out there at the moment, and because it is also very expensive and high tech. Of course it's going to get more attention (negative and positive) than any other fighter. Like with anything that's considered to be the best. Be it some other vehicle, country or person. It will be scrutinized by all.

So just relax. Like Waynos said at least several times. It's an amusing story. It would be just as amusing if it happened to a CF-18.

[edit on 24-4-2006 by jra]

Ahh...yes, a post that I can speak to...somewhat.

Think that this is within the first 50 production aircraft released! Better that the canopy would NOT open than open spontaneously, but that's just for laughs! Just kidding, of course.

Now: my paranoid friends...ask yourself, how can a canopy cost $180,000? And no, it's not a magic toilet seat!

What do you expect from a gold lined glass canopy? Read my post above. From the F-16C/D all canopies are lined with a thin latyer of treated gold.

A most fun and interesting read. And I loved those pix. $180,000 doesn't seem extravagant to me; I'm sure if they had taken it to one certain body shop in my town it would have been double.

that would blow if he had to eject in the air, and he just got smooshed.

The Robinson R22 2 seat helicopter is $185 000, so I agree that the price of the canopy is a little steep at $182 000, but it is a specialty item.
I saw a price of $120 million for the F 22 Raptor, so in relation the canopy is cheap...

I imagine using the canopy ejection may have cost more than just cutting through the plexiglass. The ejection charges would need replaced, possible damage inside the cockpit, the canopy frame would probrably get mangled, and the plexiglas itself would still be trashed. Not to mention the wider dispertion of FOD to be cleaned up.

On the plus side, it's probrably still under warrenty.