so much for keyless entry

For those of you who ever wondered what it would take to have a sunroof installed in your cars.....

well if you look it was a sunny day. maybe he wanted to put the top down on his convertable and it stuck

So an ejection in this situation was totally out of the question?
If not then would a zero/zero ejection be more cost effective?

Sure he could have ejected. But it would have caused a LOT more damage to the plane than this way did. It would have required an almost total cockpit rebuild if he ejected. They've had 0/0 ejection seats for a long tme already. Just that if you're not about to lose the plane, it's gonna tear it up really bad if you use it.

That too. I saw an ejection video, and interview with a former A-6 pilot. He was taking off and lost power, the plane rolled and he went out, and skipped across the water. He was 4 or 5 inches shorter after the ejection.

What I meant was would an ejection be cheaper than 180k. I know 0/0 seats have been around for some time now..
But if cutting with a chainsaw causes 180k damage then an ejection would cost $$$$$..

Well like we said, beyond the risk to the pilot, you're going to cause severe damage to the cockpit, so besides the 182K for the canopy, you're gonna have to replace a huge chunk of cockpit.

Holy Christ Who Cares!

I cant believe this many posts have been written on this trivial subject. We should all know that these things are very expensive get over it. The thing malfunctioned it happens!!! Cmon folks.. Cant we do a little better in posting some useful topics?

Just my two cents..

They should have asked some of the hoodies down my way, they would have got inside in 2 mins flat & run off with the stereo !

Originally posted by nephyx
Holy Christ Who Cares!

I cant believe this many posts have been written on this trivial subject. We should all know that these things are very expensive get over it. The thing malfunctioned it happens!!! Cmon folks.. Cant we do a little better in posting some useful topics?

Just my two cents..

When would it have become an issue worth talking about? If this instance involved a death due to this malfunction? Deaths happen often in these lines of work too during peace time.
The point is, this is the weaps forum and a canopy failing to open for ANY jet is a serious thing, and for the F-22 its hyped a lil' more because of the costs and impressions involved. Nobody's saying scrap the F-22 or anything of that sort.

EDIT: oops.. A/C Forum not weaps forum!!

[edit on 25-4-2006 by Daedalus3]

Wow, talk about a collective sense of humour failure!
I'm still waiting for the obligatory "The Berkut canopy would never jam, and it would still be able to shoot down all the Raptors, anyway..." post.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
That too. I saw an ejection video, and interview with a former A-6 pilot. He was taking off and lost power, the plane rolled and he went out, and skipped across the water. He was 4 or 5 inches shorter after the ejection.

after 2 ejections you are regulated to a desk job as a result of the damage to a spine. that being the compression of the spine, causing the 2-4 inch shrinking.

there's video and the story of an f-16 pilot ejection at mt.home idaho air show and him explaining that the policy of the airforce is such.

Originally posted by waynos
Pardon the pun in the title
A pilot of the 27th Fighter Squadron, USAF, became trapped in the cockpit of his F-22 on the ground on April 10th and had to be cut free by a fire crew with chainsaws!.

The canopy got stuck in the down and locked position and could not be opened manually after the pilot cycled the mechanism several times following a pre flight warning that it was unlocked, the crew were called in to cut him free after he had been trapped for 5 hours.

I have one couriosity! Why did they try the Emergency Jettison?

All Military planes have a built in Jettison system to blow off the canopy, (or escape hatch in large plane. the system uses explosives.

Tim

Because as was stated, it's a last resort, and would cause more damage to the plane than cutting off the canopy. When you jettison the canopy, the seat arms, and if you're not careful you can cause an accidental ejection.

All this is just teething problems in a new design. You can't think of everything that might happen when you design a new machine. Since the F-22 is one of the more complex machines on the planet, things like this were bound to happen. At least this is more humorous than most and no one was hurt. I design machines for a living. We have what we call design review meetings on all of our new products from initial design until production release. We all critique each other's designs and do "What if" sessions. No matter how many things we catch there are always a few glitches that are not found until a customer calls us up and gripes. The real issue here is that a problem was found, now what can be done to fix it? If this happens again then it is negligence. I am very critical of the F-22 because I believe that the mission for which it was designed is outdated and I think that the Air Force could spend its money better elsewhere. I am not critical of the capabilities of the aircraft, I think that it is an amazing machine.

Lol the guy should have just ejected.

Originally posted by bigx01

after 2 ejections you are regulated to a desk job as a result of the damage to a spine. that being the compression of the spine, causing the 2-4 inch shrinking.

there's video and the story of an f-16 pilot ejection at mt.home idaho air show and him explaining that the policy of the airforce is such.

That cant be true. People who used to pilot drones before they went to remote controll would have to eject. All the F-16 guys I haved heard discuss the issue say its a myth. But I dont think I can post a link to a different forum, so il drop it here