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reply posted on 25-4-2006 @ 11:02 AM by Figher Master FIN
Originally posted by Seekerof

Take a look at these and tell me if "that shouldn't happend," k?
MiG-29 Crash

A host more can be provided on most every type of aircraft, including those so-called Gen. 4, 4.5, 5 aircraft from around the world.

So basically, your point is what again exactly, Figher Master FIN?
That crap happens, whether an aircraft is "battle tested" or not?

seekerof


Yes, I do understand your point... But I have to dissagree... First of all, this is about the Raptor not any other plane... And time after time you want to show that other planes are bad, not that the Raptor are good... I don't defend these other planes, but what I'am saying is that people are bragging about the Raptor... nobody brags (as much at least) about any of these other planes...

I was unable to open your video...







[edit on 25-4-2006 by Figher Master FIN]


reply posted on 25-4-2006 @ 09:13 PM by bigx01
Originally posted by uuhelpus


That cant be true. People who used to pilot drones before they went to remote controll would have to eject. All the F-16 guys I haved heard discuss the issue say its a myth. But I dont think I can post a link to a different forum, so il drop it here


it could very well be true
here's the report on the crash


I get the press releases regularly, thought I'd share.

PRESS RELEASE -- Secretary of the Air Force, Directorate of Public Affairs

Release No. 0121045 - Jan 21, 2004

Thunderbirds Accident Report Released

LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. - Pilot error caused a U.S. Air Force Thunderbirds F-16 aircraft to crash shortly after takeoff at an air show Sept. 14 at Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho.
The pilot ejected just before the aircraft impacted the ground.

According to the accident investigation board report released today, the pilot misinterpreted the altitude required to complete the "Split S" maneuver. He made his calculation based on an incorrect mean-sea-level altitude of the airfield. The pilot incorrectly climbed to 1,670 feet above ground level instead of 2,500 feet before initiating the pull down to the Split S maneuver.

When he realized something was wrong, the pilot put maximum back stick pressure and rolled slightly left to ensure the aircraft would impact away from the crowd should he have to eject. He ejected when the aircraft was 140 feet above ground -- just eight --tenths of a second prior to impact. He sustained only minor injuries from the ejection. There was no other damage to military or civilian property.

The aircraft, valued at about $20.4 million, was destroyed.

Also, the board determined other factors substantially contributed to creating the opportunity for the error including the requirement for demonstration pilots to convert mean sea level and above ground level altitudes and performing a maneuver with a limited margin of error.

For more information, contact the ACC Public Affairs office at (757) 764-5007 or e-mail acc.pam@langley.af.mil.

T-Bird crash accident report released

picture



and video

cockpit video

ground video

i'll find his story that's in readers digest where he talks about being 2 inches shorter and the strict limitations on only two ejections.

it was the june of 2005 readers digest that the piolot told his story

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reply posted on 26-4-2006 @ 04:57 AM by ghost
Originally posted by Zaphod58
Because as was stated, it's a last resort, and would cause more damage to the plane than cutting off the canopy. When you jettison the canopy, the seat arms, and if you're not careful you can cause an accidental ejection.


Zaphod58,

I think you have something different in mind than I'm thinking of! If you look close at the outside of every military plane, there is an arrow just below the canopy that sais "RESCUE" on it. Next to this arrow is a small door. On the door it sais something like:
1. Push latch to open door
2. Pull T Handle down to Jettison Canopy

Accoriding to what I've heard, the Emergency Jettison safty locks the seat so it can't eject, and it leaves the canopy intact. If it leavs the canopy intact, you should be able to reattach it and intall a new charge to use it again.

If you are right, Then the emergency jettison has NO purpose at all! I can't imagin a situation where it would be impossible to cut the canopy as a last resort. This being true, your saying the Emergency Jettison is decorative only and has no function at all in rescueing people? Think about it you could even cut the canopy if the plane crashed into the water, and surly submering an aircaft would detroy it!

Can you give me an example of when they might use the emergency jettison? I'm sorry, but I honestly don't understand what it's for if they prefer to cut the canopy rather than use it!

Tim

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reply posted on 1-5-2006 @ 02:31 AM by mlindahl
Originally posted by Lonestar24
Same pics, much better quality HERE.

I wonder whether there will be additional costs in addition to the $182k, judging from the mess inside the cockpit... Not to speak of a major canopy inquiry...

Also, when looking at the last pic, the right-hand console looks odd, as if something has been removed from there, be it protection or secrecy.


Are you kidding me? Yes, they're going to show you the different consoles...right. If you look at the high-res images earlier on in the post, you will actually see that there are three console bays that are removed. It's something called Top Secret. You know about Air Force One, right? Well, have you ever seen the inside of it (and no, not the dining area or where people sit...)? It is a fully functional "Mini White House" if you will. There is SO much Top Secret stuff that can/does/will go on in that plane.

My point being that they're not going to show you everything...and why you would even say "as if something...." Of course they're not there!
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