Is the MP-443 Grach Yargin pistol good?, page 1
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reply posted on 21-4-2006 @ 04:42 PM by Ford Farmer
МР-443 "Грач" (Россия)


УСМ: двойного действия
Калибр: 9х19мм
Вес без патронов: 1 кг
Длина: 198 мм
Длина ствола: 112мм
Емкость магазина: 17 патронов

Пистолет МР-443 создавался по заданию Министерства Обороны РФ в рамках армейского конкурса "Грач" и вышел в нем победителем. Пистолет построен по схеме с коротким ходом ствола, имеет двусторонний предохранитель и защелку магазина. Экстрактор работает также как указатель наличия патрона в патроннике. Ожидается, что этот пистолет будет принят на вооружение Российской Армии вместе с новым боеприпасом отечественной разработки калибра 9х19мм. Кроме того, в нем можно применять любые боеприпасы типа 9х19 Люгер/Парабеллум.


If you can read this Please let me know, because I cannot. I consider myself knowledgable in the field of weaponry, but I had never heard of this firearm. Although I cannot read this text, I see 9x19. That is your standerd 9mm pistol. I HATE that round, it is underpowered, and very weak, but since I do appreciate your knowledge of weapons, i am going to give you a Russian website. I am forewarning you that it is in the Russian language, and I have no clue what they are talking about, but it's got good pictures.

www.pishtov.com...

Best of luck

Ford Farmer


reply posted on 23-4-2006 @ 11:09 PM by iskander
I'm not found of Grach at all.

Makarov is an excellent pistol. Absolutely reliable, small, and in a good round packs bigger punch then 380 SiG 232, all while at more then half the price.

Best ones were maid in East Germany, and those cost around $400.

One of my favorites is HK P7 M8/13. Some people like them, some don't. I love em, they are built like a Swiss watch, just beautiful craftsmanship.

Out mass produced pistols SA XD9 takes the 1st. Previously it was know as IMI Metal HS2000, and back in the day sold for around $250. As soon as Springfield bought the distribution rights though, they jacked up the price to well over $400.

HS2000 combines the best of Glock with the Best of SIG, in IMHO is currently the best mass produced auto loader.

If you like Russian military gear, Gsh-18 might very well be the best military pistol yet. Just barely larger then a mak, holds 18 of +P+ AP rounds, etc. Damn impressive, I want one.

world.guns.ru...

I can't wait 'till I can get my hands on one.

P.S. Beretta's suck, I got one, put about 5K of rounds through it, the aluminum is cracking, and now I can't even sell the damn thing.

No mentioning constant cleaning it requires. You can literally see THROUGH the damn thing, so when firing from prone, it just suck all the dirt like a vacuum cleaner.

Rack the slide, hang it on the catch, and you can see the gap between the slide and the frame right above the the handle, and if looking through the back of the firing pin, you can see right out the barrel.

It was never a military weapon to begin with, but a Police weapon. In the field it's more useful as a paper weight.

Bring back the .45 damn it, I don't even care if it's re chambered for 9mm in a double stack.

For military .45ACP is an obsolete round though. No AP capability, while 9mm APs will zip through a jacket, and a slow/heavy .45s will just slap it around.

It is true that in the modern battlefield there is no more place for the .45, but going with F92 9mm is the worst way to go.

Just like Seals say, "You aint a Seal until you've tasted Italian steel."

Hot rounds tear the slide right of the rails and plant in the shooter face.

The "Brigadier" model with thickened slide walls by the ejector port is supposed to take hot rounds with out tearing the slide of, but the Seals learned their lesson and stick with HK.

edit: u know

[edit on 23-4-2006 by iskander]


reply posted on 19-6-2006 @ 12:06 PM by LtCol_D
Here
MP-443 Grach (Rook)






Ist's not just like any other 9mm, it's design is not Armenian

the pistol is designed for use with special superpowerful 7Н21 (9x19) cartridge, which can be used only with the MP-44x series, or other pistol made specially for this cartridge (armour-piercing bullet with thermostrengthened steel head core).
Though any Luger/Para 9x19mm or 9mm NATO ammo can be used.
In 2003 added to Russia's armoury.

[edit on 19-6-2006 by LtCol_D]
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