I submit that the trinity is not biblical and the modern day christian is being lead astray by a belief into polytheism that is contrary to the Word
of God, that being, the Bible.
First off, this discussion is not for the use of "does God exist" debates. There are plenty of those elsewhere. It is not a "the bible is wrong"
discussion, there are again plenty of others out there. What this should be is a frank discussion about who God is and what He is not. For a frame of
ref. I submit the following Old Testement scriptures for consideration:
"Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD".(Deuteronomy 6:4)
"Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour"(Isaiah 43:10-11)
"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Isaiah 44:6).
"Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any" (Isaiah 44:8).
"I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself" (Isaiah 44:24).
"There is none beside me. I am the LORD and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:6).
"There is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I
am God, and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:21-22).
"Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me" (Isaiah 46:9).
"I will not give my glory unto another" (Isaiah 48:11; see also Isaiah 42:8).
"O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast
made heaven and earth" (Isaiah 37:16).
"Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of
our fathers?" (Malachi 2:10).
"And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." (Zechariah 14:9)
I submit a question about the previous scriptures. That being, are/were the jews wrong in thinking that the singular God mentioned in the Old Tesement
was out of line with todays thinking of the plurality of self determining persons (i.e. a trinity)? Ask a jew, how many are in the Godhead. They will
tell you emphatically, one. So Did Jesus make two? Let's take another view, God's point of view. Suppose He did want to exclude any belief in a
plurality in the Godhead. How could He do so using then-existing terminology? What strong words could He use to get His message across to His people?
When we think about it, we will realize that He used the strongest possible language available to describe absolute oneness. In the preceding verses
of Scriptures in Isaiah, we note the use of words and phrases such as "none, none else, none like me, none beside me, alone, by myself," and
"one." Surely, God could not make it plainer that no plurality whatsoever exists in the Godhead. In short, the Old Testament affirms that God is
absolutely one in number.
Let's look at it from the New Testement. Maybe Jesus or the disciples can shed some light on this.
New Testement scriptures.
"Seeing it is one God which shall justify" (Romans 3:30).
"There is none other God but one" (I Corinthians 8:4).
"But to us there is but one God, the Father" (I Corinthians 8:6).
"But God is one" (Galatians 3:20).
"One God and Father of all" (Ephesians 4:6).
"For there is one God" (I Timothy 2:5).
"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble" (James 2:19). I like this one.
Again, the Bible calls God the Holy One (I John 2:20)
There is one throne in heaven and One sits upon it (Revelation 4:2)
So is the God of the Old Testement a new god? Is it a new addition to the One God of the Old Testement? Was there any mention of a separate existance
of a split perhaps? Did Jesus or the disciples vary with Old Testement? I say no to all of these. There is only One God. Jesus did not come to destroy
the belief, He came to confirm it and that He was God in flesh. The jews of the time understood exactly what He was saying. That is why they tried so
many time to kill Him as He preached and taught. They understood that the One God cannot be divided. What He taught was that He was to be made a
sacrifice for them to Himself as payment for sin. That He was God and that again there was no other beside Him. What they failed to appreciate is the
fact the Jesus was a man too. This is the real mystery of God. There was no mystery the One God as they already knew there was only one God. Jesus'
attributes can be discussed, but again let's be mature about this and have scripture to back your statements.
Comments are welcome so long as it is kept civil and no name calling or anything like that. Atheists and Agnostics are welcome to comment or question
(within reason as long as it does not violate the above guide lines or detrack from the discussion). I will ask for moderator intervention if they