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Originally posted by bsbray11
How many times are you going to make a fool of yourself with this assertion before you give it up? Prove that most of the debris fell within the footprints.
Does being so high up in the air prevent explosives from working or something?
2. The collapse started at the impact points which means
a) whoever place the explosives would have had to been a psychic.
b) these explosives had to survive the plane impact, the resulting explosion, and the fires.
Extremely improbable.
Then you don't use wires.
I'll just mention the obvious that the planes didn't bring the towers down. Anyone watching the tower impacts and the subsequent few seconds could realize this. NIST blames the fires. Maybe you should catch up to them and argue the same thing.
Comparing houses to steel skyscrapers and saying the mechanics are basically the same? That's like comparing a canoe to an aircraft carrier.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Before I go over your ridiculous post, please give us a step by step analysis and timeline of what happened. Spare no details on the hows, the whys, the whos, etc.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
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You and millions if not billions around the world have seen the videos by now. Just because the walls or shell of the building spread outwards as each floor fell (again I said this before but, get a book, place a bunch of dust or whatever on that book, slam another book on top of that book. What happens? Put your face near it when you do it, what do you feel) doesn't mean the actual floors fell outward. How is that even possible?
It prevents the explosives from having the desired affect of having everythign collapse in, especially if it's just on one floor as your suggesting.
So...are you saying a psychic did in fact place the explosives there or were the explosives placed after the planes crashed?
There's no way you can place the amount of explosives needed to bring down the wtc unnoticed. Especially on the floors where the planes went in.
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Every report I have seen has said that it was a combo of factors. Where in the NIST does it blame fires alone?
If there's a large fire on the top floor(s) of a house, what happens? The house is completely gutted and/or collapses. Why?
If you have an evidence that the central steel core was undamaged by the planes impact, please present it now.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
You and millions if not billions around the world have seen the videos by now. Just because the walls or shell of the building spread outwards as each floor fell (again I said this before but, get a book, place a bunch of dust or whatever on that book, slam another book on top of that book. What happens? Put your face near it when you do it, what do you feel) doesn't mean the actual floors fell outward. How is that even possible?
It prevents the explosives from having the desired affect of having everythign collapse in, especially if it's just on one floor as your suggesting.
Prove that it would've been extremely improbable. If you watch the impacts, you can see concrete dust being ejected perpendicular to the building faces just as it was when the buildings were collapsing.
So...are you saying a psychic did in fact place the explosives there or were the explosives placed after the planes crashed?
There's no way you can place the amount of explosives needed to bring down the wtc unnoticed. Especially on the floors where the planes went in.
Every report I have seen has said that it was a combo of factors. Where in the NIST does it blame fires alone?
Prove it's not the same...
If there's a large fire on the top floor(s) of a house, what happens? The house is completely gutted and/or collapses. Why?
If you have an evidence that the central steel core was undamaged by the planes impact, please present it now.
Originally posted by esdad71
Again, I will ask, if it was not the 'pancake theory' as you call it, where is the explosives evidence, Have you ever seen how much it takes to bring down even a 10 story building?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Wow anok, how did I know you wouldn't respond to that last comment.
Before I go over your ridiculous post, please give us a step by step analysis and timeline of what happened. You say you're not an expert yet you talk as if you know what happened. Common sense? Common sense is planes exploding into buildings isn't just a regular occurance and so you can't possibly compare demolitions to what happened. Anyway, I'll go over all that later. For now, I'll ask you again, please give tell us what happened step by step. Spare no details on the hows, the whys, the whos, etc.
Originally posted by esdad71
Do any of you realize that this was attempted in 93 also? So you are stating that it took 8 years to wire it? I understand the basic premise of demolition, i was hoping to maybe enlighten those who are not with those very simple links.
Originally posted by ANOK
LOL...Anyway, I'm not sure exactly what you want me to tell you, my personal theory on what happened? What good is that to you?
A simple solution that any jackass could think of would be to just detonate the charges from the impacted foors down.
That kind of stuff can be organized on computers today and everything. It's just a matter of when you set each charge off, and for the added dimension of "from what floor," you exclude sets of charges from higher floors.
The how's? How can I, or you, or anybody know how it was done?
All we know is that it is physically impossible for 3 buildings to collapse in their own footprints from fire, and or aircraft impacts, in the manner that the 3 WTC buildings did.
Look, when you have firefighters and other witnesses saying they heard and thought there were explosives in the buildings
and then we have video with audio of explosives, how can you say there is no evidence of explosives?
OK there must be more damage to building 7 that I haven't seen, are you privy to pics we aren't?
In this situation, no matter how weak the floors were, you're going to get resistance from the floors that were not damaged. A huge percentage of the lower floors were not damaged AT ALL. Do you really think 5 floors on fire could heat up the steel, many yards bellow, enough for them to collapse?
Do you think the approx 20% top portion had enough weight to pulverize the rest of the building with no sign of resistance al all? In fact the top portion was pulverized into dust before it even impacted the lower floors, how do you explain this? With another smiley?
LOL So? No one put a man on the moon before but they did it. You reasoning is err a little niave. Obviously it did work.
Look at building 7 collapsing, does that start at the impact point We are talking about WTC7. But look at a video of building 2 collapse, you can see it starts above the impact point.
I never said I did.
I don't. Except the designers of the buildings said it should have survived multiple hits by a 707.
It's the fuel from the planes burning up. And you should know that controlled demo is a totally different deal than a random explosion.
The evidence has been presented, you refuse to see common sense, not much I can help you with there. How many more times does it have to be explained?
Oh I know, it's made up for you, no need to think, or risk seeming too liberal or lefty. Now go be a good little boy, and do and think as your government tells you.
You didn't just suggest it was a combo; you just suggested it was the planes.
Say, that might have something to do with why no steel skyscraper has ever collapsed from fire, too! Despite hundreds of skyscraper fires. Hm. Oh, except on 9/11.
On that day, three of them collapsed in forms that were previously only known to controlled demolition.
third, science doesn't work by saying "prove me wrong."
Hmmm...but a few floors falling would? I don't get your reasoning here. A CD would do the SAME EXACT thing as haveing a few floors fall. So, it's either they can or they can't. Take your pick but please quit the double standards.
Hmm...how about GPS location and the foreknowledge that that is where they would hit? It IS reasonable and doable.
I'll say it again I guess. How can you believe that a few floors collapsing can bring the buildings down, but refuse to believe that the buildings wouldn't need that much extra help demo style? Again, circular logic. Either a few floors can bring down the whole towers or they can't...make up your mind would ya.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
What?
CDs are done to prevent the spread of debris and dust, that's why they place the charges in certain areas. In tall buildings like that they always start from the bottom and work their way up to allow the building to collapse inward.
So while traveling at 500 mph in a major city, the pilots had time to count up 80 or so floors and manuvered the plane just right as to not hit the explosives?
None of what you just said made sense.
I said there's no way you can hide that much explosives on those top floors. What are you talking about?
Anyway, look at the videos again. The top parts fell as one. So that's at least 13 floors falling on one floor which was of course damaged already, and as the chain reaction continued again, more weight and more momentum was being picked up. Why would it need help?