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Well, well, the truth comes out - Produkt is not interested in learning the truth - he is interested in promoting an idea - a falsehood.
I have no doubt at all now that Pordukt is a jew (actual or at heart) - his referal to Jesus as the "bastard son of Mary" is right out of the satanic talmud.
His judiac misquoting of prophecy that refers to the Spiritual Kindgom of Jesus Christ, Who made it clear to Pilate that His Kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD, his bizarre unwillingless to accept the obvious truth - all betray his judiac spirituality.
But most telling is his bizarre insistence that Jesus was a follower of Judaism.
Was Jesus a Jew? Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible. He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests.... He lived, was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew. This is obvious to any casual reader of the gospel text. What's striking is not so much that he was a Jew but that the gospels make no pretense that he wasn't. The gospels have no sense yet that Jesus was anything other than a Jew. The gospels don't even have a sense that he came to found a new religion, an idea completely foreign to all the gospel text, and completely foreign to Paul. That is an idea which comes about only later. So, to say that he was a Jew is saying a truism, is simply stating an idea that is so obvious on the face of it, one wonders it even needs to be said. But, of course, it does need to be said because we all know what happens later in the story, where it turns out that Christianity becomes something other than Judaism and as a result, Jesus in retrospect is seen not as a Jew, but as something else, as a founder of Christianity. But, of course, he was a Jew.
Lets see what the New Testament has to say about Judaism. In fact - it is clear from the New Testament that the Pharasees and Scribes were not even the blood decendants of the Hebrews - of which Jesus and Mary were.
More specifically, the Pharisees were one of the successor groups of the Hasidim (the "pious"), an anti-Hellenic Jewish movement that formed in the time of the Seleucid king, Antiochus Epiphanes (175–163 BCE).
During their betrothal – the first stage of a Jewish marriage, during which the couple are not ever permitted to be alone together under one roof, hence may not yet cohabit, despite already being husband and wife in legal terms – the angel Gabriel announced to her that she was to be the mother of the promised Messiah by conceiving him through the Holy Spirit, the power of the Most High (the Annunciation, Luke 1:35). When Joseph was told of her conception by the Holy Spirit, he was afraid; but "an angel of the Lord" commanded him in a dream to be unafraid and take his wife to his home, which Joseph obediently did, thereby formally completing the wedding rites (Matthew 1:18-25).
"Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed him: If you continue in my word, you shall be my disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth: and the truth shall make you free. They answered him: We are the seed of Abraham: and we have never been slaves to any man. How sayest thou: You shall be free? Jesus answered them: Amen, amen, I say unto you that whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
Note well - that these Jews, who did not believe in him (the ones whom He was originally speaking too - beame his disciples) said that they, as the seed of abraham - have NEVER BEEN THE SLAVES TO ANY MAN - well we all know that the TRUE HEBREWS WERE INDEED SLAVES TO THE EGYPITIANS FOR MANY MANY YEARS!
Abraham had two lines - Isaac and Ismael - the jews would love to have you believe that the arabs are the sons of Ismael - but as the New Testament reveals it is those who say that they are jews - who are the descendant sof Ismael and Esau. You see - Isaac's line split also - between Esau and Jacob - twins - whom God said would form two peoples - one blessed and one not. Esau sold his birthright for a bowel of protage!
The sons of Jacob were slaves to the Egyptians and were the true Hebrews that were the "chosen" of the Old Testament.
The sons of Esau were not Jews - in that they followed the true God and true Faith - instead they invented JUDAISM, which Jesus and the New Testament CONDEMNS!
So we can see from the New Testament - that the followers of Judaism - who by their own admission have never been the slaves to any man - are NOT THE TRUE HEBREWS or Jews and hence their religion is FALSE!
The Jewish Messiah is supposed to return the Jews to the Holy Land, but Jesus lived while the Jews were still there before they were exiled by the Romans. How can he return them to their land if they were still living in it?
# The Bible states that the Messiah will redeem Israel, but 30 years after Jesus died, Jerusalem was destroyed, and the Jews were exiled by the Roman to suffer 1900 years of persecution, mostly by the followers of Jesus.
# The Prophets of the Bible foretold that all the nations of the world will acknowlege and worship the one true God (Isaiah 11.9, 45, and Zephaniah 3), but nothing like this happened after Jesus died; in fact, Islam develpoed and became the religion of many nations while Christianity splintered into many sects which constantly fight each other, and almost two-thirds of the human race worships idols. The world is very far from monotheism even to this day.
Originally posted by Enkidu
Are you try to imply that the Original Jesus never said:
"Why am I surrounded by women named 'Mary?'"
According to all midrashim, Esau is a very significant character in world history. Inasmuch as Jacob is considered to be the creator of the Children of Israel, it is Esau who is regarded as the forefather of Rome and the Roman Empire. The struggle between the Roman Empire and the Jews stemming from the land of Judah alternated, according to history, between cooperation and outright hate and warfare. The argument is proposed that Esau was born with red coloring in his hair and body, and the ancient rabbis have connected this with the red banner and standard favored by Rome's legions.
Christianity began within Judaism among the followers of Jesus of Nazareth. Under the leadership of the Apostles Peter and Paul it welcomed Gentiles, gradually separating from Rabbinical Judaism. Some Jewish Christians rejected this approach and developed into various Jewish Christian sects of their own, and still more diversity existed among Gentile Christians. Professor Bentley Layton writes, 'the lack of uniformity in ancient Christian scripture in the early period is very striking, and it points to the substantial diversity within the Christian religion.' A church hierarchy seems to have developed by the time of the Pastoral Epistles, and was certainly formalized by the 3rd century
In 313 AD the Emperor Constantine the Great legalized Christianity, and in 391 Theodosius I established an orthodox Christianity as the official and, except for Judaism, the only legal religion of the Roman Empire. Doctrinal disputes, especially regarding Christology, intensified, and led to attempts to reach clearer dogmatic definitions through ecumenical councils. Theological disputes over Christian teachings led Church authorities to defining orthodoxy in contrast to what they regarded as heresy, resulting in the condemnation some theologians as heretics.
The earliest known mention of the name 'Israel', probably referring to a group of people rather than to a place, is the Egyptian Merneptah Stele dated to about 1210 BCE.  For over 3,000 years, Jews have held the Land of Israel to be their homeland, both as a Holy Land and as a Promised Land. The Land of Israel holds a special place in Jewish religious obligations, encompassing Judaism's most important sites — including the remains of the First and Second Temples, as well as the rites concerning those temples.  Starting around 1200 BCE, a series of Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for over a millennium. 
and Dionysius of Halicarnassus (L. 2). Dio in his Roman History (Book I) confirms these data by telling that Romulus was in his 18th year of age when he founded Rome. Therefore, three eclipse records indicate that Romulus reigned from 746 BC to 709 BC.
This jew - Produkt - will try anything to discredit Jesus Christ.
This persons credibility is zero!
i have had enough of this bashing of Jesus Christ and His Church.
Originally posted by sozzledboot
Could not any writing, from any period in the past, which represents a paradigm shift in one's personal worldview be regarded as a de facto first inspired writing?