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Originally posted by Produkt
Just got done watching a quick interview with the author of the book titled Misquoting Jesus....
the passage from the New Testament is explaining that the same text in the Old Testament is refering to Christ - that is why the New Testament says Christ and the old does not. There are dozens of passages in the New Testament that demonstrate how the Old Testament passages actually refer to Christ, Jesus.
The Essenes were an offshoot of Judiasm - a cult of sorts. They lived in isolation - sort of like monks and they ceased to exist in 70ad. So there is no reason to believe that this Judaic cult would have mentioned Jesus. In fact - it is very possible that these texts were hidden in these caves before Jesus was even born!
The Essenes are discussed in detail by Josephus and Philo. Many scholars believe that the community at Qumran that allegedly produced the Dead Sea Scrolls was an offshoot of the Essenes; however, this theory has been disputed by Norman Golb and other scholars. Some suggest that Jesus of Nazareth was an Essene, and that Christianity evolved from this sect of Judaism, with which it shared many ideas and symbols.
"Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus"-- Thomas Jefferson
Originally posted by NumberMan
There is another version of that story. It starts the same way. The scribes and Pharisees bring the woman before Jesus, quote the law to him, and ask him what he has to say about it. He writes with his finger in the sand, and then says, "Let the one without sin cast the first stone." At that moment a stone comes flying out of the crowd, hits the woman right in the forehead, and kills her instantly. Jesus turns and says, "Mother, I was trying to make a point."
That version of the story is, of course, apocryphal. But the point is not. Jesus was trying to make a point, not just to the scribes and Pharisees there, but to us who read about this incident two thousand years later.
In Judeo-Christian theology, the word apocrypha refers to texts that are not considered canonical, part of the Bible, but are of roughly similar style and age as the accepted canonical Scriptures. Catholic and Orthodox Christian Bibles typically contain several texts not included in the Biblical canon by other Christians or by Judaism, who see them as apocryphal. Catholics and Orthodox consider these texts equally canonical as other books of the Bible, with Catholics terming them deuterocanonical (from Greek: "second canon," or "measuring rule").
Despite its rather austere appearance, the Codex Sinaiticus is a treasure beyond price. Produced in the middle of the fourth century, the Codex is one of the two earliest Christian Bibles. (The other is the Codex Vaticanus in Rome.) Within its beautifully handwritten Greek text are the earliest surviving copy of the complete New Testament and the earliest and best copies of some of the Jewish scriptures, in the form that they were adopted by the Christian Church. As one of the earliest luxury codices to survive in large part, the Codex forms one of the most important landmarks in the history of the book.
Originally posted by onesharpbroadhead
Jerome finished his translation - i suggest you check out other sources than your methodist church site - a church that a great many Christian denominations do not even consider Christian!
The Dead Sea Scrolls are not older than the Septuagint which is from the 3rd century before christ. The Dead Sea Scrolls have been carbon dated from between the 2nd century before Christ to the first century AD. And guess what - THE REASON THAT THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS DO NOT MENTION CHRIST IS BECAUSE THEY WERE WRITTEN BEFORE CHRIST!
BTW - the Septuagint - matches the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Answer - the Old Testament PREDICTED CHRIST'S COMING! The New Testament - was demonstrating that the passage from the Old Testament in question - was indeed referring to Christ. This is not that difficult to understand.
JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
- Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
- Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
- Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
- Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. (Mathew 10:45)
You come forth to save your people, to save your anointed one. You crush the heads of the wicked, you lay bare their bases at the neck… (Habakkuk 3:13)
i will bring forth people who will perform miracles but if he tries to change one word of the Torah then he is a false profit and you should not fall for this.
Then you make a bizarre and false statement that Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism or possibly the Essenes. Jesus CONDEMNED JUDAISM as a false religion
The true significance of Jesus and Who He actually was was not realized until AFTER THE RESSURECTION by the majority of the people. He only lived to be 33 - His public mission was only for 3 years - that does not give one much time to write anything. And again - to even most of His Apostles - they did not realize Who He really was until AFTER HER ROSE FROM THE DEAD!
The Dead Sea Scrolls have been carbon dated to be somewhere between the 2nd century BC - BEFORE CHRIST to the first century! So it is quite possible that these works were hidden before Christ was even born!
The Qur’an, however refers to the crucifixion only once and can be interpreted as denying both the crucifixion of Jesus and his death on the cross by the hands of the Jews. Muhammad is said to have received this revelation in response to a boast of the Jews that they had killed Jesus Christ. It states:
And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger - they slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise (Surah 4:157-158).
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
Furthermore, Christianity contradicts Jewish theology. In
Christianity, the notion of "Trinity" breaks G-d into three separate
beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
However, the basis of Jewish belief is captured in the Shema: "Hear O
Israel, the Lord our G-d, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare
the One-ness of G-d every day, writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and
binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of G-d's
One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the
last words uttered before he dies. In Jewish law, worship of a
three-part G-d is considered idolatry -- one of the three cardinal
sins which a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This
explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave
up their lives rather than convert.