NEWS: US Medical Care for H5N1 Bird Flu: Your Options

Originally posted by soficrow
On the other side of the tracks, ordinary Americans will find emergency medical services in portable or "temporary" facilities built under a no-bid contract awarded to Halliburton subsidiary KBR, the company infamous for cashing in on Katrina and in Iraq.[/qoute]

The above statement according to one of your own sources is wrong, it was not a no bid contract.

With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.

Yahoo News


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

As you can see KBR and others bid on the contract.

Originally posted by shots

As you can see KBR and others bid on the contract.

You are right - that's what the text says.

Now - how about the fact that our taxes subsidize luxury hospitals suites for the rich - while ordinary Americans will get triage in Halliburton-built porta-clinics?

This does not strike you as ...unjust? Or at least inadequate?


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Originally posted by soficrow
Now - how about the fact that our taxes subsidize luxury hospitals suites for the rich - while ordinary Americans will get triage in Halliburton-built porta-clinics?
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How do you know tax dollars are used for those rooms? From what I have read it states the money is ear marked for Emergency rooms and wards which are not one and the same.

Around here when you walk into a hospital when you see those huge rooms each and everyone of them have a plaque on them saying this Room Donated by the name of a foundation or individual.

Also many of those hospital are not for profit, each and every dollar that comes in goes right back into the facility.

Now can you prove some have misused any grant monies slated for emergency rooms and prove it was used to pay for those suites?

Originally posted by shots

Around here when you walk into a hospital when you see those huge rooms each and everyone of them have a plaque on them saying this Room Donated by the name of a foundation or individual.

I doubt donations are used to build the luxury suites that Forbes wrote about - but hey, anything can happen.

Now can you prove some have misused any grant monies slated for emergency rooms and prove it was used to pay for those suites?

As outlined in the opening article, we are not talking about "misusing" grant money - the terms are established and quite legal under the new budget.



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The most likely option is that the bird flu is no threat at all, so doing nothing is the only correct response. IMHO the story is nothing more than fear mongering by government and the major media outlets. My only reason for posting on this thread is to assure the other skeptics that they are not alone.

Carry on, I won't trouble you any further.

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I guess like everything in these country money can buy no only happiness but a luxury bed at the hospital.

I wonder if employers of some corporations will pay for these luxurious rooms as part of their insurance agreement for some employees.

Why I ask because my husband is working for a new company and they pay for all our medical expenses and anything that we spend out of our pocket on prescribe drugs even when we have tricare already.

I wonder.

Hmm,

Two points:

Tamiflu needs to be given within 48 hours for prevention / or treatment of symptoms not 6 - if it was such a short window then it would be effectively even more useless than it is now.


And it is not the expense of medical care that an american needs to be worried about - it is the lack of ventilators to keep the lungs going when they clog up. There are roughly 105,000 ventilators in the whole of the US according to one report I've read...

Originally posted by hands

Tamiflu needs to be given within 48 hours for prevention / or treatment of symptoms not 6 - if it was such a short window then it would be effectively even more useless than it is now.

Prevention after exposure and treatment after symptoms appear are 2 different windows. ...The reports do differ but overall, Tamiflu is considered fairly useless. Reality being what it is.

And it is not the expense of medical care that an american needs to be worried about - it is the lack of ventilators to keep the lungs going when they clog up. There are roughly 105,000 ventilators in the whole of the US according to one report I've read...

It's everything. Expense, accessibility of care, lack of ventilators, lack of facilities, lack of staff...





....Thanks marg. Nifty the way the money thing works, in't it?

[edit on 13-3-2006 by soficrow]

Well who said that the rest of the population needs to be save, only the rich, wealthy and famous are the only ones to be allowed to survived.

And I imagine that in case of an epidemic most employers will stop paying for care.

Uh huh.

Too bad they didn't use at least a bit of that $1.3 billion to cover a few ventilators though.




It's not like the administration didn't know ventilators would be needed in huge numbers...

Originally posted by marg6043
Well who said that the rest of the population needs to be save, only the rich, wealthy and famous are the only ones to be allowed to survived.

And I imagine that in case of an epidemic most employers will stop paying for care.

That is a ridiculous assertion Marg. There have always been private rooms in hospitals for those can afford them, They are just getting bigger.

As for the valet parking??? Hello, just about every hospital in our area has had it for years, at no cost I might add, again nothing new. The stupid article just makes it appear that way when it is not. Typical media ya know, take and inch then claim its five or ten

According to the Secretary of Health and Human Services your options are:



Looks like the government plan is to for you to go hide under your bed with your stash of food. Leavitt is a mormon. The LDS church has same plan in regards to stockpiling food and not relying on the government to save their buns. How the government handled Katrina was a good example, so don't plan on big brother to do much for you.



[edit on 13-3-2006 by Regenmacher]

Thanks Regenmacher I tell you with the way the government is running the nation in an emergency if a pandemic happen the elite will hide in the bunkers with the best medical care selected just for them like them.

The rest of the nation will go into chaos and nobody will be here to impose the law.

Make a prayer and hope for a natural cure.

Then when only the survivors are left the elite will come out of their luxury hidden places to take over the nation again.

Funny but that is the truth.

They like to give us 2 items per disaster. When the big scare was biological weapons, it was duct tape and plastic. Now it's canned tuna and powdered milk. :shk:

It's good to know they're thinking of us, though...

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
They like to give us 2 items per disaster. When the big scare was biological weapons, it was duct tape and plastic. Now it's canned tuna and powdered milk. :shk:

And the old "hide under the bed strategy."

It's good to know they're thinking of us, though...

Kinda gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, doesn't it?

...It really grinds me that they blew off the animal quarantine prevention strategy - knowing full well that they'd have to quarantine us humans instead.

Like always - it's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


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[edit on 13-3-2006 by soficrow]

Originally posted by shots

Hello, just about every hospital in our area has had it for years, at no cost I might add, again nothing new. The stupid article just makes it appear that way when it is not. Typical media ya know, take and inch then claim its five or ten.

Hello - it's Forbes that's promoting the luxury medical spa experience in America. The USD is in the toilet, its buying power is extremely limited and there's a Bird Flu epidemic in Europe. The rich want made-in-America options.

More and more, hospitals across America are offering swank, hotel-like accommodations to patients who have the money to spend for added comfort and convenience. ...People who stay at the Amenity Suites at Sky Ridge Medical Center in Lone Tree, Colo., enjoy larger rooms, dinners prepared by a personal chef, bathrooms with Jacuzzi tubs, separate showers and lavender toiletries. The out-of-pocket cost: $200 a night. ...In Louisville, Ky., Jewish Hospital's Trager Pavilion offers valet parking, gourmet meals and rooms with fax machines and Internet access to patients willing to spend an additional $200 to $250 a night.

Forbes: Healing In The Lap Of Luxury

Ordinary Americans are looking at Halliburton-KBR built portable ERs - and the "luxury medical spa" industry is positively booming in America.

Think investment.

Also, get rid of your real estate, especially rentals, and position to pick up property dirt cheap after half the population kicks. Kinda like what happened in New Orleans but bigger.



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[edit on 13-3-2006 by soficrow]

Originally posted by soficrow
...It really grinds me that they blew off the animal quarantine prevention strategy - knowing full well that they'd have to quarantine us humans instead.

Like always - it's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Yeah, it's about the money, but it's also about the population. If they kept us from getting this by animal quarantine, then they wouldn't have the opportunity to quarantine the humans. The (non-wealthy) humans wouldn't get sick and die by the handfuls and there would be no need to buy up the craploads of Tamiflu they have ready to sell and it would really just ruin their whole plan of control and decreasing the population to manageable (and wealthy) clusters.

Originally posted by soficrow
Kinda like what happened in New Orleans but bigger.

And wasn't that a great test-case for how Bird Flu would work out? God must really be on their side...

[edit on 14-3-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Yeah, it's about the money, but it's also about the population. If they kept us from getting this by animal quarantine, then they wouldn't have the opportunity to quarantine the humans. The (non-wealthy) humans wouldn't get sick and die by the handfuls and there would be no need to buy up the craploads of Tamiflu they have ready to sell and it would really just ruin their whole plan of control and decreasing the population to manageable (and wealthy) clusters.

Nahhh. Do ya think? A long term depopulation strategy?

Couldn't be.

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Originally posted by soficrow
Kinda like what happened in New Orleans but bigger.

And wasn't that a great test-case for how Bird Flu would work out? God must really be on their side...

Perfect first run. BTW - have you followed the status of New Orleans insurance claims? And the price of post-Katrina NO real estate? And the development plans and contracts? It's kind of interesting how it's all falling out...


As far as medical care and US needs - we have bird flu, Mad Cow (think dementia and Alzheimer epidemics), and chronic disease epidemics. Bird flu can be quick - or cause chronic disease. Most scientists also recognize that it has become endemic.

So everything is endemic - it's everywhere, always present, and it's NOT GOING AWAY - Mad Cow, bird flu, chronic disease.

Better human quarantine and euthanasia than actual treatment or a clean-up, huh?


Of course, that's not the official public position. According to this administration, there is NO bird flu in America, NO Mad Cow, NO problems.

Mysterious Bird Deaths in Texas

The good news is it's not the bird flu, according to the Texas Department of Wildlife. But officials say as a precaution, the dead birds should not be handled.

loam's thread

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FYI - officials say there is no Mad Cow in the USA either.

[url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread198778/pg1]3rd Case in 2 Years Acknowledged in the USA

So don't worry. Be happy. Spend money. Get more credit. And eat chicken and beef every day!

The only people who want to hurt you in America are the terrorists.