Originally posted by DrakeDouay
My dear Enyalius,
Interesting use of ' Drunken Sophist Kung Fu " technique.
You seem to be having a wonderful time arguing with yourself.
Who am I to stand in your way ?
What on Earth are you blabbering about? I strongly get the impression that you think that a discussion is a battle of ego's and that only one can be
right and "win". There is no game nor any "techniques" I"m applying to "win" this battle that you seem to be playing out.
The way Jogic teachings are being taught differ. Not to so much the practice itself, but the mindset and degree of understanding of what you're
achieving is very different. Just as different as lifestyles are between east and west.
In the west people live at a different pace and view things in life differently, more black and white. A fastfood community in which everything has to
be able to be done fast and if possible even for you. Most knowledge is given to you on a silver platter. This makes causes people to have a lot of
booksmarts but have little real experience. This causes that new instructors don't know all that is required let alone have the experience needed. In
the west people follow a course with degrees and at a certain degree you're suddenly a master and are able to teach others. This can be seen best
with Reiki with its initiations and degrees. With Jogi there are little to no "written" degrees and thus most are not spoken about yet they are
still there. Western people are to focussed on the end result instead of the path they walk. People set a goal and want to reach it within as short a
time as possible. Many Eastern practices have been adjusted to this way of life and because of this many Westerners find it odd that they can't
experience the results of the teachings as fast as they would.
Take the OBE thread of TRG as excample. People are so focussed on the goal that they are actually pushing it away. If they weren't in such a hurry
and focussed on walking the path they would learn more, see more, experience more before they even reached the state of having an OBE.
Perhaps this would be a good time to make known what my "experiences" are seeing that I've left them in the middle till know. I'm not a man that
has an affinity with Yoga so I've stopped after about a year and the rest has come from other practices with the same goal as yoga. "To find balance
within oneself and unlock your own divinity and connect it with the universe around you".
In the East there are schools that teach Yoga as well. However in the east there are no grades/degrees. There is only a Sensei to instruct you. The
students know that it will take a life time if not longer to experience their teachings to the fullest. The way yoga and such are taught in the East
are more a way of life with a high degree of dedication. People who find the path just as important as reaching the goal. People who understand that
once they reached that goal which they set does not make them a master of said teachings.
The positions used in yoga, the end goal of yoga are the same in both West and East. However the way it is lived/experienced and the amount of time
and dedication given to it is very different. The entire mindset and lifestyle is different and thus I find the Eastern way the proper way. People are
not in a rush and in general learned more then Westerners would simply because Easterners find the path important as well and don't rush it. Due to
the detailed experiences Easterners are "wiser" and figured out what works and what not due to personal experience and thus have more confidence and
understanding of the dangers/implications of reaching the kundalini.
People who claim to gain Kundalini by 1 simple practice...I don't believe that. That excercise might work for the person that used it, but not for
the other individual. You take an excercise and adjust it to your own needs and alter it as you deem correct, because you know what works best for you
due to experience. This is why there are no New and Inventive ways because it's all just an adaptation of what already was. Next to that reaching the
stage and experience will take a while, depending on the amount of dedication and time you put into it. Some reach it in 3-4 months and others need a
As for dangers...really? You'll just feel great and get a feeling of intuitive connection with the all. Gaining so much inside and knowledge and the
feeling of balance and inner peace. However this state is a short fleeting one at first, depending how balanced and focused you are. Needed several
attempts, non yogic, untill I was able to maintain that state longer.
So the main post is a nice guideline to get you started, but it is anything but the only way nor is it new. You can also use the studies of Alchemy,
Kaballah, various magical rituals, meditation to reach the same state. It is just what someone prefers. Each system has their own methodology.
That is what I found through self experience and researching many different systems.