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Students reject honor to 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' hero

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posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 03:37 PM
Just what the hell is the matter with some people?!?

The University of Washington's student senate rejected a memorial for alumnus Gregory "Pappy" Boyington of "Black Sheep Squadron" fame amid concerns a military hero who shot down enemy planes was not the right kind of person to represent the school.

Can't wait to see if there is an 'outrage' over this............

[edit on 15-2-2006 by ferretman2]

posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 03:52 PM
Ugh, this is why I'm not a liberal. I'm sick of them dishonoring our war heros...this nation is becoming a bunch of pansies...

On the other hand, we have the religious republican right, which I also can't stand...ugh...

posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 04:39 PM

Originally posted by ferretman2

Can't wait to see if there is an 'outrage' over this............

[edit on 15-2-2006 by ferretman2]

What is your outrage again? A school elects people to represent them. They discuss the issue, and vote on an answer. Is that your beef? The democratic process?

posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 05:53 PM
wow, this really shows how out of touch some young people can get. This guy shot down 26 aircraft and he was shot down and spent 20 months in a Japanese prisoner-of-war camp and the members of the student senate said the following: "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce." "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men." The guy was a part Sioux - anyone here think he was rich?

These people have zero knowledge of history. They made this decision because they do not like George Bush or the war in Iraq instead of actually looking fairly at the facts of this one case.

EDIT: It should be pointed out that this decision was not accepted by all of the students at this college. It is really sad though that a group of elitist students are trying to paint WW2 vets as murders.

[edit on 15-2-2006 by zerotime]

[edit on 15-2-2006 by zerotime]

posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 12:16 PM
Nice to see that the UDub has hit a new low. The students gov't knowledge of the man obviously stems from that rediculous TV show in the '80's.

AThe man was a marine corp aviator during a time of war, and shot down, I believe it was 28 Japanese aircraft, was shot down, and became a prisnor of war under rather hellish conditions. Was part native american, was a hard drinking, hard partying hellraiser...and a bonified war hero. He died destitute sometime in the early 90's I believe.

For a student body to declare that this was someone whom they would not want to represent the University of Washington speaks volumns for their lack of knowledge, and lack of compassion for a man who fought and defended their right to be sanctimonious assholes. Would it really cost them so much to put a bust up to comemorate a brave man? God, what utterly contemptible tripe.

posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 01:00 PM
Or, the students choose not to gather upon a decorated war hero as is commonality in America and instead focus on a representative who may have countenanced himself in an academic sense, being that this is an academic atmosphere.


posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 01:06 PM

Originally posted by curme
What is your outrage again? A school elects people to represent them. They discuss the issue, and vote on an answer. Is that your beef? The democratic process?

I think it's more about the painful irony: That these students are able to exercise the democratic process largely because of the efforts of war heros like "Pappy" Boyington.

posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 01:13 PM

I think it's more about the painful irony: That these students are able to exercise the democratic process largely because of the efforts of war heros like "Pappy" Boyington.

And democracy comes in consequence of America's infinitude of war heroes I assume? Perhaps one should realize that the true soldiers of democracy were the intellectuals who fought rigorously in courts and street for freedoms and liberties that are granted upon your today. Soldiers do their job as they are told.


posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 01:33 PM

Hey, you got it in one!

Oh yes, intellectuals do indeed serve their purpose, without a doubt. However, without America's citizen soldier, whom you seem to hold in such disdane, all those freedoms, and liberties would not exist.

Major Gregory "Pappy" Boyington (United States Marine Corps), was one of many such men and women, who down through our countries history Have protected our freedoms with their blood, and sacrificed their lives in so doing. They did so yesterday, and they'll do so today, and tommorrow. So show a little respect, if you please?

posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 02:20 PM
Not surprising at all. All one has to do is just read the threads here at ATS to see the same sentiment as that displayed by the students in the Article.
It saddens me that such a deserving American Hero, Medal of Honor winner and Native American is looked upon as not a good repesentative
of thier school! I could understand thier decision if it where based soley on principles of academia. After all our institutes of higher learning are for the expanding of minds not the expression of heroics. But that is not the impression I get from the article. These kids just do not get it! They do not have a clue as to what WWII was about much less what Pappy accomplished. It is a failure on us as a society to not teach our young about the tremendous sacrifices made by the "Greatest Generation!"
What does it say about thier memory when such a man is discounted because he "murdered 26 humans!" What does it say to thier memory when the only recolllection of the war seems to be that America dropped the A-bomb on poor Japan? I hear echos of the same sentiment everyday as it is being generally reported that American Troops are terrorist, baby killers, murderers and torturers. Speaking as a Vietnam Viet, I can only hope that an invading army never lands upon our blessed shores. If this happens, me and the rest of Americas soldiers just might leave and let the bastards have it.

posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 03:57 PM
Whoflunggum. I can only speak for myself when I say that I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for all of the veterans who have served our country both in war and in peace. Thanks don't begin to cover the debt owed.

Someday, soon I hope, the anti-military types will get a clue. But from the sounds of it, I hope in vain.

Just to reiterate. Thanks.

posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Luxifero
Soldiers do their job as they are told.


But for about 40 years now the military has been an all-volunteer force. So the fact that they "do as they're told" is, in my view, a pathetic argument because no one put a gun to their heads to join up. It was/is their choice.

The oath they take is to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies; foriegn and domestic. Nobody else, outside of military chain of command, is tasked with this responsibility. Would you depend on those "intellectuals" to protect and defend the Constitution? I wouldn't.

posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 08:10 PM
The trouble with the kids nowdays is that they don't have any true Hero's.

What ever happened to people like Pappy, Chuck Yeager, Neil Armstrong,
Jauc Custo etc.

Don't they understand that our war Hero's are the reason we still have a lot of our Rights.

Now all the so called Hero's are overpaid sports stars or people like Brittney Spears.

Hollywood has completely brainwashed America and these kids nowdays
have no one to look up to except people who are overpaid, live in a surreal
world and have no clue about what happens in real America outside of the
West Coast.

The wind chill is going to be -38 degrees F tonight here in Minnesota and
you know what, I'm not going to blame George Bush or the Govt.

I'll get up in the morning , feed my dog and go to work tomorrow just like I always do but I still have Real Hero's.

Nuff said.

That's my 2 cents.


posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 08:25 PM
The people who run universities today are one sick bunch and it is better not to attach the memory of such a man as Boyington to such institutions. It would be like naming a brothel after a president.

Boyington was one of the most colorful characters of WWII and of the Marine Corps. He resigned his Marine Corps commission because of his drunken escapades and Claire Chennault of the Flying Tigers actually sent Boyington back to the States with a "dishonorable discharge" because he was such a pugnacious heavy drinker.

I believe that was the good fortune of the Corps and the nation because in 1942, Boyington was recommissioned and went on to become one of the most storied heroes in American history.

The University of Washington really doesn't deserve to be the host of a memorial to a man of such courage and commitment. Boyington got off to a bad start in life and suffered because of his poor judgement and wild antics, but he continued to strive and that is a lesson we could all learn something from.

I would hope that everyone would take the time to learn as much about Gregory "Pappy" Boyington as possible.

posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 08:50 PM

o.p. by G.P.
The University of Washington really doesn't deserve to be the host of a memorial to a man of such courage and commitment.

I whole-heartedly second that sentiment. The man should have an airport, or a fighter aircraft named after him, or a scholarship to a flight academy, or an award for outstanding airmanship, something more fitting than a bust at a liberal university.

He is a true All-American Hero. One of my favorites.

He stood up to the brass, and the PTB, and wasn't afraid to be himself, a hard-drinking, hard-brawling, gung-ho, balls-out, Marine Fighter Ace!

posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 09:19 AM
I have a lot to say about this let me start with this "rich white man" hating female perception of the world today and then tie it into this recent act.........

Her and those who think like her are the sheeple of this nation...........not only do they not understand the principles and history of our founding fathers......they have been fooled and manipulated into thinking that a worldwide socialistic society is the answer to all the world's ills that are soley caused the white race of our founding fathers that they are guilt riddled wtith...........

They are clueless........and she is clueless.............a bold statement on my part??..........

............Not really....... on..............

The wrongs of this world are not a result of our founding fathers and the documents that have created the most noble and just experiement in human history.............they are the result of alternative ideals that have their roots in communism that is now labled as global social democrates under the guise of the Fed Reserve, World Bank, IMF and the UN.............and people who subscribe to this "save the world from itself" movement hate anything that America stands for and has accomplished in this world........

But what they don't understand is that the UN is not an instrument of human justice.........but an insturment of totalitarism........the Fed, World banks are licking their chops over this................The UN a world parliment of justice???.............who else would have a human rights or security council with countries like Iran and China on them??..........Have we not forgotten what how the Chinese government turned students at Tiemen Square into human paste under the treads of tanks out of sight from the world's media for speaking out on human rights??

This "hate the rich white man", "lets all get along with all cultures" Jimmy Carter attitude is falling right into the hands of those who want to destroy the liberty and freedom of this country and centralize it in a world government that would be rip for abuse of all the world's citizens.........

Don't for one minute think that any abuse by our government today or our central banking system stands for what our founding father designed this country to be.........

Okay..........I'm stabbing at the big picture of what sheeples like her and others think what PC/multicultural socialistic society is..........but where it is really going to end up.......

Like take that attitude and philosphy and tie it into her opinion of Mr. Boyington........

So she doesn't want UofW to have a WW2 generation medal of honor Marine represent the kind of student at this university they desire to produce???

Here's some "ancient" history for you girl............

Those who fought against oppression in WW2 were depression era babies.......born into poverty with nothing.......and then in the most wonderous coming of age time in their youth....where obtaining an education and experiencing the joys of falling in love would the norm..............they were called to arms instead......only to spend those years fighting for the preservation of freedom and defense of all people against the horrors of oppressive governments.......

As a direct result of their actions we (and you too little girl) would enjoy the highest standard of living and individual liberties in human history.......

.....and the right to express our very freedom in speech and writing..............we owe an incalulated debt of gratitude and respect to those who have served to protect those rights..........specifically our founding fathers generation and the generation who fought WW2.......easily the two greatest and most worthy generations of this greatest of human experiments known as the United States of America.

Mr. Boyington's unselfish bravery and commitment to his servance of freedom and all others like him deserve the highest respect and accomodations that our society can bestow on them........

A medal of honor welcomed front and center at the table of freedom in my house any time.............

You know............I wonder if she wonders about whether her life "will make a difference in the world"?..............

Well let me provide her a quote about that and the Marines........

"Many people go through their whole life wondering if they've made a difference to those around them.....whether their life has been worthy of their birth and contributions they've made to others...............well, let me tell you........the Marines don't have that problem......."- Ronald Reagan

I'll bet she would consider a statue to Tookie Williams of more honor that Mr. Boyington.............what sickness these achedemic liberals are to this country, freedom and liberties.

I suggest this women spend an afternoon and read "The Declaration of Independence" and the "US Constitution, its Amendments and Bill of Rights"............before.........she watches her next eposide of America Idol.

Maybe she'll turn the TV and start to really make a difference.........

posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 09:59 AM
What are you all crying about? As far as I can see, all they did was remove a clause from the memorial about how he destroyed some aircraft. Did anyone read the story?

Senate member Karl Smith amended the resolution to eliminate a clause that said Boyington "was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform," for which he was awarded the Navy Cross.

It now reads (in part):

"Be it resolved … [t]hat we consider Col. Gregory Boyington, United States Marine Corps, to be a prime example of the excellence that this university represents and strives to impart upon its students, and, That we desire for a memorial for Col. Boyington be commenced by the University of Washington by 11 January 2008, the twentieth anniversary of his death, which will be publicly displayed, so that all who come here in future years will know that the University of Washington produced one of this country's bravest men, and that we as a community hold this fact in the highest esteem."

Yeah, they really 'dishonored' him, didn't they? I think the fact that he was dishonorably discharged and was a "pugnacious heavy drinker" probably dishonored him more!
Thanks to Grady for that phrase.

I love World Net Daily!

posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 10:09 AM
So at what point do we stop letting people of my generation have any say in anything?

What ever happened to the WWII spirit that 20 somthings had not too long ago?

This country could never-ever unite to defend the world from tyranny the way the greatest generation did.

[edit on 17-2-2006 by mxboy15u]

posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 10:42 AM
I admit (sheepishly) that I did not read the article.

o.p. by B.H.
I think the fact that he was dishonorably discharged

This is due more to the fact that he and Chenault got into a pissing contest about how the Flying Tigers should be utilized than the fact that he was unsuitable to wear the uniform of the United States Marines (the first true military branch this country ever had). Chenault just had much more clout at the time.

Boyington would probably roll over in his grave at the thought of a bunch of pansy liberals squabbling over how to honor him at his alma mater.

posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 10:58 AM
This just in, Fox news reported this, and interviewed a member of the student council.

That member said that "he was no a great actor, he was somone who killed people"

It is time for there to be a draft again. It is time for every pompous ass college student to have to earn the right to live in this country. How did people get so out of touch?!

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