shocking pictures from iraq!!

media.putfile.com...

These are images many of you have probobly never seen. This is because the media has a certain image of soldiers that they push and this flies in the face of that image.

The reality is, Iraqis did greet us as liberators. They do want us there and anyone who disagrees needs to take it up with the millions of iraqis that risked their lives to vote!

Enjoy!


edit: I'm not sure what the whole point system is about, but since I posted this video I've lost over 700 points. Again, make of it what you will folks.

That was cool, Dronetek. I'd love to see just one of the mainstream news outlets display it, or even comment about it. You and I both know it would never happen.

that was really nice to see Dronetek, I am sure that this has nothing to do with the loss of points.. that would be ludacrus under the circumstances of the content.

A very refreshing selection of images

The reality is, Iraqis did greet us as liberators.

Yes, the roadside bomb is simply a badly misunderstood traditional Iraqi greeting ceremony. Like tossing flowers and waving flags, only louder.

They do want us there and anyone who disagrees needs to take it up with the millions of iraqis that risked their lives to vote!

Yes, and they voted mostly for the United Iraqi Alliance, one of whose major campaign platforms was the earliest possible timetable for withdrawal of US forces from Iraq. Another was closer ties with Iran. And yet another was the formalization of Iraq as an Islamic state. Yay

I responed to this post before, but I look now and it is gone. Was this put in the trash bin?

Thanks very much for posting these photos; I think it is a real conspiracy that these are not shown more in the media. and are possibly being censored on ATS!!

-- Boat

Originally posted by Boatphone
I responed to this post before, but I look now and it is gone. Was this put in the trash bin?

Thanks very much for posting these photos; I think it is a real conspiracy that these are not shown more in the media. and are possibly being censored on ATS!!

-- Boat

The original issue was not the content of the video, it was that the original site hosting it had offensive advertising, and ATS doesn't allow linking to such sites. The point loss was actually a 1,000 points for two warnings, from two different Moderators for removing Staff edits (the member is quite aware of this), and is also quite aware as to the reasons the original thread was removed, anything inferred otherwise is disingenuous at best.

Now that that's all cleared up, I'm sure we can now focus on the topic at hand, the images within the video... And only that topic.

LIES!! LIES!! Evil propaganda!!

All photo shopped images!!! Those white devils killed and ate all of those children!!

All those Iraqis were told to smile at gun point by the evil empire Americans!!!

How dare you misrepresent the murderer Americans?

LIES!!!




Ok, I’m back. Just wanted to see what it was like thinking like some other posters on these boards.

Let’s face it: The truth doesn’t sell papers or airtime. Only death and suffering does so that’s all we see. Even though the vast majority of Iraqis are content and happy with the progress, you don’t see or hear about that.

Over 70% of Iraqi’s are happy about the direction of Iraq right now. Try to get that % from any other democracy in the world…

Originally posted by xmotex

The reality is, Iraqis did greet us as liberators.

Yes, the roadside bomb is simply a badly misunderstood traditional Iraqi greeting ceremony. Like tossing flowers and waving flags, only louder.

They do want us there and anyone who disagrees needs to take it up with the millions of iraqis that risked their lives to vote!

Yes, and they voted mostly for the United Iraqi Alliance, one of whose major campaign platforms was the earliest possible timetable for withdrawal of US forces from Iraq. Another was closer ties with Iran. And yet another was the formalization of Iraq as an Islamic state. Yay

Originally posted by Dronetek
The reality is, Iraqis did greet us as liberators. They do want us there and anyone who disagrees needs to take it up with the millions of iraqis that risked their lives to vote!

I assume this is from the more recent Gulf war as images from the first conflict would depict the US turning it's back whilst 1000's were slaughtered after being told they would be backed up if there was an uprising.

Iraqis DID greet Americans as liberators at first. There is ZERO doubt about it. America then went downhill for them little by little (then by huge quantum leaps after Abu Ghraib). Why is it so hard for people to understand that? Every single credible poll now shows that most Iraqis want America out, that nearly half of all Iraqis say it is OK to kill American soldiers, and so forth. The Neocons did a sloppy job. As Powell's aid recently said in a speech- "It's hard to sell poo ". The battle for hearts and minds was lost decisively a long time ago. Iraqis gave GW a chance, and he squandered it. We all know this to be the truth.

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[edit on 27/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

I'm sure there are people who love the fact we are there but then again I am sure there are people who can't stand the idea. They don't show that on TV I suppose cause its not useful for the conditioning?

Need to keep us afraid? or cultivating hate?



and Homer said:

“Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing, and dancing sooner than Waaaaarrrrrgh!"*











*80's Speed metal voice implied may cause vomiting.

Nice video and it's nice to be reminded that there always seems to be a silver lining to every dark cloud.. but....

Bottom line: Not EVERY Iraqi wants us there. What's the ratio between our Iraqi supporters versus our opponents? (And how much is it fluctuating?) Who knows but one thing is for certain, we are not going to be able to fix the 'problem' in the middle east. Until we can address the 'root problem' of 'terror' (This biggest part of this root is the Koran) we are just spinning our wheels. Anyone who believes that the 'spread' of democracy will spread peace is fooling themselves. (Hamas winning the Palestinian election is proof of this)

Don't forget,
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Don't get me wrong.. I'm very happy that we are doing some good over in the middle east but get real.. We can't fix the world.

And I still ask:.. Iff spreading democracy isn't going to work then why on God's green earth are we in Iraq?? (Please don't tell me it's to help a few of our Muslim supporters over there)

I think we could have done FAR more if we had 'liberated' Africa..



Something else I've always felt.. I think we were better off with sadam in power because it helped insure a certain level of 'fragmentation' in the middle east theater in general. I think all we are doing now is just unifying and 'democratizing' the evil that exist over there (Making them stronger) thus speeding up our own demise.

Think about it.

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Time for an ATS group field trip! Im tired of this debate. The soldiers that actually go over there come back and tell us what it is actually like. Then the politically biased civillians and some politically biased soldiers try and say otherwise. I dont care what you have seen on the news, as we have seen for the past 50+ years the media can NEVER be fully trusted with what they report. Yes, not all iraqi's want the U.S. in Iraq,just as everyone does not wish for GW to be in office. Read the following quote and give it a thought.

"There is no better way to give comfort to an enemy than to divide the people of a nation over the issue of foreign war."

Quoted from a speech made about WW2, The speaker was opposed to war but made some huge points. Im not here to argue with anyone over the subject of the war and what is really going on. But please see that there are always 2 sides....open your mind to the other every now and then it can have great benefits. Thank you.



I still call for a group field trip....

Uber, if your calling people here terrorist apologists, may I suggest you quit the board and return to fauxnews.com or some other comfy Neocon propaganda website? Iraq is a mess right now, if you want to know the Iraqi mindset just watch Al Jazeera or some of the far worst Arab networks which make them look pro-Bush (which we in America don't even hear about).

[edit on 27-1-2006 by Nakash]

*wipes away the Tears of Happines*

Wow.

What a Great Piece of Military Propaganda. I mean, that was really Awesome. I bet some Military PR got a Medal for this Photo presentation.

:applause:

Well, what can you say about this Information Warfare Techniques? Were they:

1. C2 Attack: Any action against any element of the enemy's command and control system.
   
2. Command and Control: The exercise of authority and direction by a properly designated commander over assigned forces in the accomplishment of the mission.
   
3. Counterinformation: Actions dedicated to controlling the information realm.
   
4. Defensive counterinformation: Actions protecting our military information functions from the adversary.
   
5. Direct Information Warfare: Changing the adversary's information without involving the intervening perceptive and analytical functions.
   
6. Indirect Information Warfare: Changing the adversary's information by creating phenomena that the adversary must then observe and analyze.
   
7. Information: Data and instructions.
   
8. Information Attack: Directly corrupting information without visibly changing the physical entity within which it resides.
   
9. Information Function: Any activity involving the acquisition, transmission, storage, or transformation of information.
   
10. Information Operations: Any action involving the acquisition, transmission, storage, or transformation of information that enhances the employment of military forces.
    
11. Information Warfare: Any action to deny, exploit, corrupt, or destroy the enemy's information and its functions; protecting ourselves against those actions; and exploiting our own military information functions.

Can you Find the Correct Answer? (multiple choices are Possible)

Souljah,

What a Great Piece of Military Propaganda. I mean, that was really Awesome. I bet some Military PR got a Medal for this Photo presentation.

I have two words for you..... Prove it!
I know, I know, the americans and the americans are the greatest evil there ever has been in the world's history and americans and their military can NEVER do anything good and helpful.... In your world that is.
You state that this is military propaganda. where can you prove this? If it was indeed propaganda, this would have been spoon-fed through the various news agenicies such as FoxNews.com etc.to bolster support for this war. Support that is lacking in the US as well as the rest of the world. Find the video on any of the pro-bush, pro-war sites or news agencies. Prove this video is all a lie.

Dont worry Souljah, your peer's will be there soon enough helping the Iraqi's better themselves.

I really really hope you know some of the Slovenian troops that are going so they can tell you first hand about how the Iraqi's feel about the war and the progress there.

I somehow think that no matter what you hear or see you will never beleive. Must be a dark place to hate so much...

I wonder, Dronetek, how much did you get for your post. You know, promoting the American way to view the world

Okay, just kidding. The important thing is, that most of the Iraquis are happy just because they arent yet experienced the humanitarian bombing made by US of A. These that do shoot US of A soldiers on sight...

Other thing is, that they are happy to get rid of Saddam (he was not mr. nice guy anymore), yet they expecting the freedom (means - w/o US army, as they stated it repeatele and repeately asked US forces to leave or at least set datum to leave, while US army refused...) they are promised to get, yet failed in delivery.
Eg. you can't enforce freedom with guns, mate. Now they more real images (enought or propaganda) from Iraq - I mean these, that even force ex-soldiers to commit suicide:
news.independent.co.uk...

I would quess that he see too much of this propaganda, so he has no choice...

trodas,
that is a sad story but the root cause is well know. It is called Post-Traumatic Syndrome Disorder. You might want to know that this is not something that only military members who have seen action are affected by. Victims of Rape, Police Officers, Medical personel in ers fall victim of this disorder. But then again ... I guess they did not see the propaganda RIGHT?
PSTD

Oh stop it and grow up all of you!!! Do you really think that every American soldier is a tool of this administration??? Do you think every American soldier rapes and sodomizes young Iraqis? Do you think all Iraqis hate Americans? Do you think all Iraqis love Americans? Do you think all the pictures coming out of Iraq are being covered up because they have happy smiling people in them?

IF you think there is a definitive answer to any of these questions, then you have no grasp on reality or the situation in Iraq.

Of course there are positives and people who feel truly liberated, but there are also many images that you don't see of mutilated children, crying families and disrupted lives.

War is not pretty. There will be times of both happiness and sadness for these people. You bomb a school and then rebuild it, you bomb their electrical infastructure, then turn the lights back on, you get rid of a tyrant but open the doors to lawlessness and terrorism. Double edge sword everytime.

I'm relieved to see that children at least can still smile even after what has happened to their country. Those smiles you see are that of hope and thank god people can still hope or we will all be screwed. You also see the smiles of people because the majority of our soldiers are good, decent human beings with compassion who can see beyond what they are told and see the innocence in the young faces they are surrounded by.

If we would all stop with the bickering partisan crap and understand that this is much deeper than the propaganda that is used by both sides, we might actually get somewhere and fulfill real goals and eliminate real problems.

Iraq has been hurt, the people have been hurt, many will recover (see the smiling faces) and many will not (find the faces of the dead).

temper the good with the bad and still you will see that currently the negatives are outweighing the posititives. You don't see the pictures of the over 100 thousand victims who have died since this war began, so don't claim that a few pictures of happy faces can erase and justify all that has occurred so far.

And yes the media doesn't show as much positive pics as some of you may like, but they don't show enough of the bad pics that I think should be shown too, so either way you look at it there will be claims of propaganda, hopefully you the members and readers can find for yourselves a variety of pics and stories to support both the good and bad of this war and make a balance judgement of the current situation in Iraq.

and btw the source of these pics seems to be several websites, which were all compiled on one here:
www.pbase.com...