Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
A free press perhaps, but subject to the “controversial” propaganda model. Which are a series of filters through which the news must go through
before we see it.
I agree, cnn, nbc, cbs, fox, etc, these are mainstream news and they stick to the middling ground. That doesn't mean that there isn't a free
press. People still publish books, newsletters, newspapers, have media shows, etc. Places like CNN are what the
mass of the public likes. So
of course its not very relevatory.
I feel that anytime policy is discussed by active politicians (not private citizens) it should be broadcast on c-span or available
otherwise.
But this is immpossible. Also, just because a person is a public officer doesn't mean that they've given up all rights and claims to privacy.
Also, the vast majority of people in the Bohemian Club are not politicians, those people are not setting government policy anyway.
I beg to differ, these elites make up the plutocracy, and their opinions can often become government policy.
I agree, then can affect public policy. But they cannot effect policy. They simply don't create policy. There is nothing illegal about private
citizens being influential.
I mean, think about it. Yes, the bohemian club has lots of influence on government, and some members of government are also there and they talk about
matters of policy.
But whats
wrong with that? Peopel have a
right to meet in private, without scrutiny from the government just as much as they shouldn't
have to have scrutiny from the mass of the public.
Even people in the government.
Also, the bohemian club
probably has more influence on the country via the fact that its members can be thought of as a ruling elite, than thru
direct influence on the government. They are the captains of industry, industrialists, etc, so what they do can affect the country greatly. They
might not even be good people or be doing good while at it. But, really, what
right does the rest of us have to say 'sorry, you can't freely
associate with out government permission'.
Its unfortunate that lots of these people are
scum, but its not illegal to be a bad person.
PS again your knowledge of history impresses me, thanks.
Hey man, I never heard of this 'propaganda filter' definition for, so I'm the one who's impressed!
where is the “demes” stuff from
The 'demes' are the subdivisions of the countryside in athens. The public was grouped into these demes by the government and thats how they
functioned in the assembly. I wouldnt' say it changes the meaning significantly from 'rule of the people' though, so i probably shouldn't've
brought it up.
forestlady
Anyone is free to believe, disbelieve or scoff as you will.
I'm not scoffing, to be clear, I am just disagreeing with the import of some of these things.
It's not just that policy is made behind closed doors, it's that information is given out at the BG that normal people don't have access
to
But this
allways happens. There are lots of closed door meetings and private meetings with government officials.
The nixon-regan bit is intersting. I am reading a book on the grove that mentions it, but it was printed in the 70's, and it states that the
agreement was that Regan would stay out of the primaries and the election unless it was terribly obvious that nixon was going to loose, so as to not
split the party. I am curious as to whether or not your information is infact better, and that it was over the specific timing of when regan would
run.
Do you really think that that decision wouldn't've been made somewhere tho?
I'd think that the big information are the Lakeside Chats. Apparently nixon made some speeches there that later served as the basis for policy
speeches.
But do we really think that the policy was
formed there? Nixon was obviously already thinking of the topics anyway no?
you've got policy being formed by a very small group of elitists
The election of the elite into government is what makes it democratic.
gave a talk in the early '90's about why we need to rearm the U.S. with nuclear weapons. Isn't it interesting that 7 years later we started
rearming our nuclear arsenals?
But lots of republicans have been talking about doing these sorts of things for a long time and in lots of places. And where ever the original
discussions about these things were, they still had to go through the government to accomplish it.
BG by high-level pols and CEO's such as Bechtel, discussed information known only to themselves to create policy
On the one hand, they'll just do it somewhere else.
But, what if, they
don't? What if they don't have this networking effect and this information isn't shared? Why would
that be a
good thing?
