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Originally posted by AgentSmith
I also wonder if the lone cameraman had someone helping him, because from what I can remember the camera zooms in and pans when following one of the choppers. Then in his remarks he says he was watching it wthrough binoculars. If I havn't got confused here then that is truly an amazing feat, being able to watch it through binoculars while operating the video camera. I'll have to watch again to double check though, what I thought may have been zooming in and panning might be what they did in the editing stage, so I have to check.
I also find it curious that there are no loud exclamations from the crowd or any remarks on the live broadcast in the background mentioning the explosions, at first I assumed they had been enhanced, but if they were as loud as they sounded on the video you would think people would gasp or something.
Originally posted by AgentSmith
I remember now another point I meant to make regarding the sort of tactics used in the video..
In the section talking about debris trajectories, they try to tell us that they go up and out. But if you rewind and watch you can clearly see that the illusion that they go up and out is caused by the collapse of the building, for them to go up and out like the video implies then the building would have had to be stationary.
Originally posted by AgentSmith
You can clearly see debris being thrown out sideways and falling down as would be expected, but because the building is falling you get a curve on at the beginning of the smoke trail, the program makers then freeze the video and overlay their cannonball trajectory over the top and make out that the debris was fired up and out. You can clearly see this is a blatant lie just by watching it again, it's not an easy or honest mistake, it's a blatant lie that is easy to miss due to the way the video is made.
Originally posted by AgentSmith
I actually thought they had something even though I'd just seen it until I decided to watch it again and block out that patronising blokes monotonous voice.
Originally posted by AgentSmith
I also find it curious that there are no loud exclamations from the crowd or any remarks on the live broadcast in the background mentioning the explosions, at first I assumed they had been enhanced, but if they were as loud as they sounded on the video you would think people would gasp or something.
Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded very interesting seismic activity on September 11, 2001 that has still not been explained.
While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 9-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.
The Palisades seismic record shows that -- as the collapses began -- a huge seismic "spikes" marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were both registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.
Source
Originally posted by AgentSmith
I also wonder if the lone cameraman had someone helping him, because from what I can remember the camera zooms in and pans when following one of the choppers. Then in his remarks he says he was watching it through binoculars. If I havn't got confused here then that is truly an amazing feat, being able to watch it through binoculars while operating the video camera. I'll have to watch again to double check though, what I thought may have been zooming in and panning might be what they did in the editing stage, so I have to check.
Originally posted by MERC
Did it ever occur to you the Binoculars where attached to the Camera, or vice versa?
Originally posted by AgentSmith
Sorry to break up your party but that's the facts and there is nothing you can do or say about it.
[edit on 12-12-2005 by AgentSmith]
Originally posted by AgentSmith
The programme makers can not have made a mistake in this, they are delibrately deceiving people.
Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
Just a reminder, all credit and thanks should go to Rick Siegel, the guy who took the footage and put the DVD together. He was offered $48 a second by the MSM giants for the footage, but he refused knowing that the footage would dissappear and never be seen again with the explosion audio intact. He took hours of footage...you do the math.
If they are intentionally deceiving people, then can I ask to what end?
Originally posted by AgentSmith
I'm sorry but the trajectories of the debris are clear in the video and they have misled you. Maybe you should watch it again, I could repeat what I have already said but that seems pointless. The fact is the debris does NOT go up and out and you can see it in the video.
I was angry as well when I realised because I fell for it too at first.. It sucks to have someone trick you like that.
You can try and deviate from this as much as you like but I've found my strawman and it's going to give the beating it deserves.
[edit on 12-12-2005 by AgentSmith]
Originally posted by XyZeR
Hey smith, i'dd like your anwer on this question posted by wecomeinpeace
If they are intentionally deceiving people, then can I ask to what end?
Why would someone go trough all this trouble to "misguide " people ?
Originally posted by AgentSmith
Originally posted by XyZeR
Hey smith, i'dd like your anwer on this question posted by wecomeinpeace
If they are intentionally deceiving people, then can I ask to what end?
Why would someone go trough all this trouble to "misguide " people ?
I can think of a couple of reasons, but I'm not going to answer.. why..?
Because I don't have to and I feel like being awkward.. Mainly though, because I don't wish to deviate away from the point I'm making, which you all desperately appear to be attempting to do.
Originally posted by AgentSmith
It's not just a silly little mistake or flaw, they spend considerable time on it and they make it an important part of their case. If they are this incompetent then what does it say about the rest of it?
I'm not going to leave it, it's not a slip of the tongue, it's either complete stupidity or a complete lie.
If they can't get this simple, yet crucial, piece of information correct then what else are they misleading you on?
Originally posted by MERC
Originally posted by AgentSmith
Originally posted by XyZeR
Hey smith, i'dd like your anwer on this question posted by wecomeinpeace
If they are intentionally deceiving people, then can I ask to what end?
Why would someone go trough all this trouble to "misguide " people ?
I can think of a couple of reasons, but I'm not going to answer.. why..?
Because I don't have to and I feel like being awkward.. Mainly though, because I don't wish to deviate away from the point I'm making, which you all desperately appear to be attempting to do.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Classic. What he really means is he doesn't know, and he's too afraid to admit it.
Originally posted by they see ALL
so the video is a fake???
i watched the first hour of it and i thought it was pretty boring
but i thought it was real too...
People find descrepancies in the official reports