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Originally posted by Sep
So you are saying that Iran cannot buy the satellite pictures from open market?
And if Iran is indeed suicidal and wants to kill everyone then it doesn’t need to know exactly where to shoot.
As you said Israel is a small country, a few nukes can flatten it, so what good is a satellite?
Different leadership? The current supreme leader is 65 years old and will be leader until he dies. So he will be there for some time. And I am not sure who the successor would be, can you tell me if you do?
Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
The Iran myth is being hyped up more than Iraq was, this is insane. Your all talking yourselves into killing thousands of people out of logic your pulling from thin air.
Just start a rumor that Isreal is under threat and people will believe anything.
(even thou they out weigh any nation other than the US in Nukes by about 300 to 1)
Iran has every right to have:
1. Nuclear Power
2. A Nuclear Bomb (read up on the MAD doctrine to understand why)
3. A military that can defend itself
4. Satellite imagery
The whole 'they support, fund, grow Terrorists' logic is just an excuse.
Every nation that is powered by capitalism and run by the corporations that fuel it in some way supports and funds terrorism.
Even the people your fighting today were created, funded and trained by the CIA and the Whitehouse, even Saddam was your team member, so was Osama, so are the Saudi Royal family and the oil barrons which run that place. That excuse is nothing but hypocritical.
You can't pick your fights only on countries that are technologically infearior in everyway and then demonise and spread crap about any country that uses their right to be an equal player.
For every issue against Iran, which there are many, you can find equal or worse issues with America or it's allies, this whole religious tone that gets put on this debate is nothing but a whitewash for the fact there's business and great power to be had in the next few years and Iran is the unfortunate lot to be sitting on the goldmine. Your a sucka if you think otherwise.
Iran is sitting on the oil, it's holding OPEC up, we are heading into a global energy crisis. It has more reason to need these things for defensive purposes than any insane war mongering logic that says they are a offensive threat.
If a war on Iran happens, which it most likely will soon, don't believe any of the hype and lies that will be sold other than the fact that their energy sources are detrimental to US survival, them have the bomb will take away Isreals uncontested power and not having Uranium imports while controlling oil and gas exports, will interfer with Russia and China's growth and eventual threat.
If your going to support the war, atleast undestand the truth, don't simplify it with an insulting religious tone that whitewashes all the business involved because that shifts the blame out of the hands of those ultimately responsable.
Yup, national security is an important business.
Saddam was business. Don't let it happen again.
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Who said anything about war, other then Iran starting one?
At most the US or Israel will just take out their nuclear powerplants.
Start a rumor? For heavens sake, they have OPENLY called for Isreals destruction.
Can you imagine if the President of the US called for Irans complete destruction?
MAD doesn't work when leaders are guided by psycho twisted hate filled religious doctrine which calls for the complete destruction of it's neighbor.
I do agree though, every nation should have a conventional military that can protect it's citizens.
if some nation views it as a threat, well, it might get taken out.
that is why every western country in the world is fearfull of Iran.
So now capitalism is the enemy?
Obviously you have no concept of historical prospective.
Yes, you can if it is a legit threat. And guess what - Iran is.
They admit to sponsering terrorism.
They publically call for whole nations to be wiped from the map.
It is a proven fact that they have had nuclear weapons programs. It's all there for anyone to see.
No, you are a "sucka" for being so convinced that the western world is so evil.
If Iran just wants to mind their own business, and not stir the pot, why not agree to have their uranium enriched elsewhere?
Why don't they STOP FUNDING TERRORISTS?
The fact is, the US, ISreal, and the EU don't want to have to deal with Iran, but Iran is just simply to dangerous to be allowed the chance to develope nukes. You are a fool if you think otherwise.
There are so many solutions, but they are unwilling to compramise. Why? They want a bunch of nukes for their nut ball radical islamic agenda.
While I agree that they would be a nuclear power that could contest Isreal, there will be no war. There is no need for one whent the US can simply sit back, fire some missles, and take out their nuclear power plant(s).
I'm not one to ignore the strategic implications of any war, but the fact remains that the US doesn't want to go into Iran.
Yup, national security is an important business.
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Tell you what, when you find a military comander who will go to nuclear war with his strategic intel based off of sat pics from "the open market" you let me know.
Wrong again. They are not simply looking to get themselves killed. They have motive. They want to destroy the nation of Isreal. In order to do this they need accurate and time sensitive intel.
Yet another false assumption. A few nukes can not flatten Isreal, much less take out steel reinforced concrete missle silos burried in rock that would be used to fire back at Iran. These things can survive a near miss by large nuclear weapons. You need a "hit" to take them out.
It will take Iran about half a decade (plus or minus) from the time they get a nuclear reactor online to build nuclear weapons. I'd say there is a very reasonable chance that he will expire in the near future, say, within 10 years. I do not know who the successor will be, nor can I predict the political climateof Iran 10 years from now with great accuracy. Frankly, if I could there would be less reason for worry.
Any way you cut it, Iran deployed a strategic recon sat, and lied about it.
Iran is not a friend of the US, they are at best a nation with hostile leadership and at worst a nation we will have nuclear war with. There is logical reason for concern.
Originally posted by Sep
Iran has not directly attacked the US in any form save the hostage situation during which no one got injured or died (except for the tragedy of operation eagle claw, which Iran had nothing to do with). The US on the other hand has directly attacked Iran, Iranian interests and Iranian civilians killing over 300 of them including 80 children. So if anyone should be concerned it is Iran who is now surrounded by a country, which has attacked it previously and is armed with nuclear weapons.
Originally posted by thermopolis
"TEHRAN, Iran - Iran said the satellite would be purely scientific. But a month after its launch — and only weeks after the president said Israel should be wiped off the map — the head of Tehran's space program now says the Sina-1 is capable of spying on the Jewish state. "
news.yahoo.com...
Interesting that they "lied" again isn't it.
Step one............ use spy sat to find targets.
Step two ..........launch second and third sat so you have GPS capability over Israel.
Step three Launch nukes..........................
Step 2-1/2..............US and Israel turn Tehran into glass............
Originally posted by NumberCruncher
We dont negotiate with Terrorists.
Originally posted by NumberCruncher
We dont negotiate with Terrorists.
But as it orbits the Earth some 14 times a day from an altitude around 600 miles, with controllers able to point its cameras as they wish, Sina-1 gives Iran a limited space reconnaissance capability over the entire Middle East, including Israel.
"Sina-1 is a research satellite. It's not possible to use it for military purposes," said Deputy Telecom Minister Ahmad Talebzadeh, who heads the space program.
But he agreed it could spy on Israel.
"Technically speaking, yes. It can monitor Israel," he told The Associated Press. "But we don't need to do it. You can buy satellite photos of Israeli streets from the market."
Originally posted by American Mad Man
It will take Iran about half a decade (plus or minus) from the time they get a nuclear reactor online to build nuclear weapons.
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Originally posted by American Mad Man
It will take Iran about half a decade (plus or minus) from the time they get a nuclear reactor online to build nuclear weapons.
- Anyone else care to just make up a groundless claim based on nothing more than whatever notion just happens to pop into their heads?
The best experts in the US reckon on Iran being at least 10yrs away from a nuclear weapons if they are actually trying to get them.