I'm an Aussie who has travelled widely over his homeland, 3 generations of military service in my family behind me on my fathers side and a nice
contributing history of engineers on my mothers. and my own 'interesting' life.
I am 'new' to the site as a member, but regularly read posts for amusement whilst looking for genuine information worthy of follow up over the
I do find it amusing to think that there are aliens flying around our countryside. Maybe they taught the Australian Aborigines advanced aerodynamics
and gave birth to the 'Boomerang' .Do people know that Pharoahs were buried with golden boomerangs? and only the Pharoah and his family were
'allowed to hunt with them? there are Egyptian glyphs carved in stone north of Sydney that I have personally inspected, that tell a tale of an
Egyptian prince on a naval expedition, silly fool, he was bitten by a snake and that was the end of that. Of course it has been counter argued that
these glyphs are a 'hoax' by university students in the 1930's, only trouble with that is they are written in glyphs that were not translated until
the 1970s. But I digress. next it will be our Gympie pyramid and the stone terraces.
So lets see what 'we' have here.
Pine Gap... a joint USAF/NSA communications relay station (to all effects closed) most of the radomes radomes are empty now and photos are available
showing that to be the case. It is effectively a eavesdropping station now and telemetry relay, but... ... will no doubt be incorporated into a
theatre missile defence warning system in conjunction with not just the United States, but also Japan and South Korea. Those Taepong missile range
arcs from North Korea are getting dangerously close to Australia now. It is also the reason why Australian is purchasing 3 Airwarfare Destroyers with
the Aegis radar system and an anti ballistic missile capability, the same as in the Japanese Navy who have been testing the same system on their
AWD's. Don't know if you guys understand netcentric warfare, but when you have missiles coming in in re-entry at Mach 25, quick exchange of data is
cruicial and paramount as in maximum targeting ability in radar coverage. So there is now an ability for the US Navy and other military services, The
Japanese and Australians all to rapidly exchange information and 'find' the warships with the best percentage kill shots in directing initial
interceptions, if not, then its up to Japan & Korea's Patriot batteries to fire off the 'hail mary' salvos. (I'm sure Taiwan figures in there
somewhere, but Australia has no 'treaty obligations' to Taiwan, but our military 'thinkers' are concerned that 'we' will get dragged in by our
Treaty with the United States.
Nurrangar, (near Pine Gap) a remmant DEW (Distant Early Warning) site to cover the Indian Ocean, it received information from orbiting satellites
during Gulf War 2 (1990)) (Gulf War 1 was Iran-Iraq) of SCUD missle launches that were then relayed to CENTCOM and Continental United States Command
Centres. Now closed.
Geraldton 'ECHELON' downlink station in Geraldton (complimented in redundancy with another downlink station in New Zealand) responsible for the
'take' of satellites over North Asia. ECHELON is part of the Five Nations intelligence sharing treaty (which of course the United States chooses to
exercise at its 'will) signed up in the 50's between the United States, The United Kingdom, Canada, Australia & New Zealand in which ALL parties
agree to share information.
US Naval Station Harold Holt (an Australian Prime Minister) near Esperance in Western Australia operates an ELF transmitter...(a bit of concern this
one).. ELF (extremely low frequency) is the only radio signal of a wavelength able to penetrate deep ocean. It is used to communicate with US
submarines deployed into the Indian Ocean. The nature of ELF is that it can only carry a few characters per minute so it sends short code group
letters, either telling the submarine to surface to deploy conventional radio or make an uplink to a satellite for more detailed messages.... or to
receive, alas the code groups to 'launch missles' (hence why it is a bit of a 'problem') (hence this base does constitute a direct threat to
Australia as it is part of the United States ability to control nuclear submarines & launch nuclear missiles)
Have any of 'you' watched the movie 'The Falcon & the Snowman' (early Sean Penn as 'Snowman') ? or read Christopher Boyce's book? Christopher
Boyce obtained employment with TRX due to 'familiy connections' (his father was retired FBI), the whole focus of the movie, but you have to be
switched on to actually notice what it was that caused Boyce to start leaking, and if you watch the movie, freeze it when he is in the teleprinter
room and read the teletype message 'they' receive from Pine Gap as a 'mix up' which was meant to go to the NSA. It states CIA concerns about an
ELECTED Australian Prime Minister (Gough Whitlam) (after more than a decade of conservative government and with the incoming Labour government on a
anti war withdrawal from Vietnam policy) the teletype then gives reference to efforts to infiltrate the Australian Union movement and to de-stabilise
the Australian government, this causes Boyce to have a crisis of conscience as why would the United States interfer in the internal politics of a
loyal friend & ally, he then enlists the 'help' of a former friend who he was an altar boy with (Sean Penn) in communicating the documents to the
USSR via the Mexican Embassy, 'his logic; being that the Soviet Union 'would' publicise it... which is of course not what happened, they wanted to
develop him as an asset instead. Most Australians have 'forgotten' this event... Some of us will never forget... ... ...
Ever wondered what would happen to a Space Shuttle if it needed to make an emergency descent in this quadrant of the globe?... ... so there are two
'available' diversion runways for the Shuttle here (leave it to you to find them. (lol)
Ever examined the Indian Ocean people... which is the entry ocean to the Persina/Arabian Gulf? A penny for a pound for the person who can name the
closest 'Western' naval port to the Persian Gulf? well by crikey, wouldn't you know it, looks like Perth in Western Australia to me (unless you
think Saudi is your 'friend'...) maybe thats why nearly all US naval deployments to the Gulf have a stop off in Perth, and also we have a live fire
range that the carrier pilots can drop some of the exploding stuff on for some practice before deploying.
Now dont forget Australia is a 'mining nation' there are plenty of huge underground mine sites in Australia, and I mean plenty and huge that would
make a mockery of anything you think the military industrial complex 'has' constructed and can quite easily be approproaited by the government in
'time of need'
How many of you know Sydney Harbour well. Ever heard of the Captain Cook graving dockyard? it is the largest dry dock in the Southern Hemisphere
complimented with a Hammerhead Crane with a dead lift of 500 tonnes (ie it can lift and repair the entire elevator into or out of a US Carrier (it was
originally funded by the United Kingdom as part of the Empire Defence Scheme in the 1930's as a 'back up' for Singapore, designed to be able to dry
dock a British battleship and 'deadlift' out entire turret assemblies to repair battle damage. It IS a prime target because of its ability to
service the US Navy.
I also note a lack of mention of Jindalee OTHR sites (another you beaut Aussie invention) which enables us to defend our 'airspace' without need for
airborne AWACS (although we have recently acquired some AWAC aircraft but these are more for use outside our own national airspace.
I can't be bothered locating links for Jindalee and the aerial photographs, Its impresive, kilometres of wires strung out, it 'bounces a radar
signal off the ionsphere 'tuned' with complex mathematics to be able to have a 'peek' at parts of the world in our area, the signal reflects back
up and down to the receivers. On a good day you can count all the ships in the Indonesian archipelgo or 'see' as far as the Koreaan penisular (A
cheap version was sold to the United States in the 80's as part of trying to build a radar picket line to stop drug smugglers operated by the US
Coast Guard, but they settled on airborne radars deployed by aerostats (tethered blimps)
I have read of Salsbury in South Australia mentioned a few times. Salsbury was an a 'British Empire' alternative'. Not widely known, but availbe
for the earnest digger to find, was that a duplicate to 'Colussus' was manufactured by the British and installed at Salsbury. (Colussus the orginal
Turing designed number cruncher used to break into Nazi Enigma codes) When the UK weapons establishment 'moved' to Australia for Atomic Weapons and
Missles such as Blue Streak, they opearted out of Salsbury but then tranferred to Woomera and Maralinga for 'tests'.
I also 'know' a tale about 2 missing truckloads of documents the Brits are still howling about of captured Nazi & their own research tech that they
brought out, but got 'lost' in a movement convoy
Now I know the United States are all excited about their Global Hawk and predator drones (know about the Global Hawk flight from the United States
across the Pacific to land in Australia? during testing of capabilities?
Doesnt impress me, I was impressed by Jindavink (pintjanjarra for 'the hunted one'), www.ctie.monash.edu.au...
we 'gave' the United States, Sweden and the United Kingdom over 500 of them during the 50's and early 60's as 'target drones'. A fully robotic
aircraft, an early attempt mind you, but made still the same. They were 'used' as target drones, something for pilots to practice intercepting and
for live fire missle launches. The United States chose to go down the path of kitting out surplus aircraft as 'target drones' such as the QF-4
Phantom etc for pilot and missle training.
Also think you guys need to do a crash course in Australian aboriginal languages (good luck with that, there were 500 tribes lol!)
Anybody want to buy a Nulka? Aboriginal for 'be quick') en.wikipedia.org...
Nice little earner for us this one, a hovering rocket
From wiki "As of July 2007 Nulka had been fitted to 100 Australian, Canadian and United States warships and over 700 decoys had been produced. At
this time it was expected that the system would be fitted to an additional 50 United States warships as well as Australia's future destroyers. This
made the system Australia's most successful defence export" "It has a unique design in that it hovers in mid air while seducing the incoming
and of course thats the 'export version' lol. United states doesnt want to give us the top code for the F-35, well two can play that game.
(goes off into Aboriginal trance and 'conjures up', Malkara (shield) Woomera (spearthrower) Ikara (throwing stick) Pika (to fly) Jindivik (hunted
one). I'm a great scrabble player. Have sheets and sheets of Australian Aboriginal words, play regularly, couple of times week, with the missus and
another dear friend. They just keep refusing to allow me to do any Aboriginal words... Kangaroo (I don't know) yep thats what that that word means,
when Captain Cook asked the 'natives' what those hopping things were they responded 'Kangaroo'. what they were really trying to say was don't
know what the hell your saying you are speaking gibberish.
Watch out if our troops ever decide to activate their Bunyips en.wikipedia.org...
(mythical beast that lives in billabongs and
waterholes) you can kiss your communications goodbye and back to mano el mano bring it on stuff.
I dont know if you guys are familiar with the pre World War 1 "dreadnought race". When Jackie Fisher designed the first 'true dreadnought', single
calibre cannon turrets, central fire control, armoured citadel, steam turbines, he did 2 things. He gave the Royal Navy a 'quantum leap' in
technology... he also did another thing, made redundant in one sweep every warship in the Royal Navy and as every major power embarked on building
their own dreadnoughts placed Great Britain and the Royal Navy in a position of having to finance a massive Naval Program as Imperial Germany
undertook its own 'dreadnought build up... what has that got to do with anything?
Well if some 'bright spark' comes up with a massive leap forward, such as a revolutionary warship design or say, robotic aircraft and you are a
minor power or like the United Kingdom bankrupt from World War 2, what are you going to do? wheel it around for everyone to see and start another arms
race making all your 'conventional forces redundant?, or perhaps go, whoops, lets roll that thing back in the hanger and have a good old tinker with
and watch and observe how long it takes for everybody else to play 'catch up'?... ... ...
Any readers here familiar with the United Kingdom Defence White Paper of 1957? Commonwealth White papers are briefing documents for future policy. (I
do advise readers to look it up, even in its simplist wiki form) the main thrust of this White Paper was that all MANNED aircraft are redundant and
saw the immediate cancelling of many British aircraft designs, about the only thing that survived the 'chop' was the Harrier program, it was able to
'squeak' in because the White paper also identified that all airfields would be targeted. The UK 'saw' the future as missiles and UNMANNED
aircraft... ... ... en.wikipedia.org...
Now I wonder what gave the United Kingdom the 'confidence' in 1957 to state that manned aircraft are 'redundant'.
It would not of course have been 'Jindivinks' doing their 'robot dances' over the Australian outback within the prohibited zones?... ... ...
Even today, (and readers may now guess I just didn't come down in the last rainstorm) if the United States wants to send its robot Predator or Global
Hawk into my skies, I will bet my kingdom, a Jindivink 'launched' even an 'old' (lol) 1950's model would 'blast it out of the sky'...Jindiviks
are highly maneourvable, they were designed to be, for jet pilots to learn how to intercept and SAM operators to 'engage'... ... not a basically
propellor powered glider like the Predator or Hawk.... as for 'what' a modern Jindivik looks and performs like?... ... ...
Oh my god, those crazy Australians you are saying, they must smoke some good weed as well as drink strong beer. Is someone suggesting we 'have' a
working operational over the horizon radar?, is someone suggesting we have developed an 'air force' of 'drone aircraft', hovering rocket decoys?.
Don't you also enjoy our employment of the Queens English. The 'new boys' on the block, USAF Predators are 'pilotless aircraft'...robots (ooooh
ahhh scary scary military robots), for 50 years in Australia we have been manufacturing . target drones. Now that sounds nice and friendly doesn't
it?, I guess we could have called them remote piloted aircraft, why bother?, we'd probably lose funding for our Air Force, especially after 50 years
of development. Lets just call them highly maneuvouable target drones and play quietly in our own little sand pit
Just gotta love those Omni Stations, stick ya GPS where the sun doesnt shine, under total control of the United States with the ability to 'shift'
accuracy, after all, all the civilians are receiving is the basic uncrypted time signal and getting a free parasital ride on military system... Bit of
power the United States has in those GPS satellites.
But how come some nations did not dismantle their Omni radio beacons? which were used prior to GPS? using simple triangulation formulas of known
Well perhaps my (woops) someone's Air Force of drone aircraft need some nice navigation points to place themselves in 'parking patterns' as as Over
the Horizon Radar operators desiginate 'targets' for interception.
As for the threads concerning Australia 'possessing nuclear weapons' well yes and no and maybe. Australia is a zero time nuclear weapon nation
according to most 'credible' sources...what that means is, given the 'order' it would take 'zero-time' to construct one.... Going to miss those
F-111's one did its final flyover my town last week.
Really going to miss them... did any reader check if Australian F-111 were delivered with the nuclear weapons strike package delivery system?.....
.... (last time I checked it was a 'black box' add on) and oh baby really going to miss those sneaky G models 'we' were able to rope in as
'spares' as opposed to our C models. The G Model being part of the old United States Strategic Air Command (ie a low level nuclear penetration
bomber) The United States Air Force wept when Reagan signed them away in a deal with Gorbachev... part of the deal that they had to be lined up Davis
Air Force Base in the boneyard and 'gulliotined' literally, chopped in half by a huge machine, so the Soviets could 'count them' with the
satellites as part of a treaty. Thank god some smart USAF type remembered 'us' and gave us the chance to have a look see and a bargain basement
firesale price of $1million each, and yes thank you, 'we' will take a few of those G model nuclear attack models to 'play with'.
gotta love you Yanks, nice bit of kit to play with, and to give us the 'G' model, well
that was just downright thanks very much, so this is what you intended to use to sneak into the USSR at low level?. Before the USAF thought
'stealth' was an 'option' Crikey fellas, all 'stealth' does is leave a nice 'hole' in the image of our Over the Horizon Radar where something
is 'meant to be'. Back to the drawing board ya good old boys. Faceting aircraft to stop radar echoes returning to the point of origin of the
transmitter 'will' work, for the rest of the worlds radar systems. Easiest way to defeat that technology, seperate your transmitter & receiver, tune
it in, and wait. You bet your $1 billion a shot B-2 Spirits and I raise you 3 $680 million Jindalee OTHR backscatter radars with seperate transmitters
I also read about 'planes' being taken to a Central Storage site in Australia and someone making a comment about a Naval ship escorting them, the
posters thread was the aircraft were from HMAS Albatross, a naval land station.
Yep... we do have our aircraft boneyard in a desert. Good place to store aircraft. Not much left there though, first the Israelis had a good pick over
the pile, then later the Pakistanis.
Australian had a fleet of French manufactured (although of course we manufactured them under liscence) Mirage IIIO (the O standing for Ostralia, Mr
Dassault wasn't a good speller !), French Mirages??? well why not? as said, Britain in 1957 cancelled its aircraft design programs, and the USAF had
gone a bit silly thinking it would be done with radars and missiles beyond visual range (and got carved up by Mig-15,s and Mig-19's in Vietnam)
When the French eventually embargoed the Israelis, they came a knocking here for spares, same with the Pakistanis.
We had completed serial production of F-86 Sabres locally, CAC/Avon Sabre, Rollys-Royce engine and 20mm cannon instead of useless US .50 cal,
Prior to that we had been operating British Gloster Meteors and de Haviland Vampires & Sea Venoms.
So why not have a look-see at what the French are making as well and add that to our 'knowledge base'.
The Mirages seemed to be doing okay against MiG's in the Middle East whereas United States designs were finding it hard going in Vietnam. So why not
have a look at latest in French aviation technology as well?
Well we are a nation founded by convict thieves, do you expect anything less? (laughs to self hysterically)
Next someone is going to come after us for our 'non existant' chemical weapons stockpile.
I'm from an old Australian familiy, The very First Act of our Federal Parliament was 'The White Australia Policy'. (created out of a fear of
Chinese gold miners)...
Prior to World war 2 and all the new 'blow ins', we were a VERY small population, on a large landmass and to our immediate North are the teeming
millions now becoming millions.
A real problem for our defence planners. Of course we have the Soviet Scorched earth option of defence (or did), during World War 2 our nation was
filled with stores of chemical munitions, and I mean a lot. Geneva & Hauge conventions be damned, Step on my 'homeland' and watch the crap hit the
fan... ... ...en.wikipedia.org...
Now in my time I also received formal training in geology, (any Australian who ventures out into our unexplored areas should at least have the basic
knowledge to know if he is standing on a hill of gold).
Love your threads about transcontinental tunnels. Dig away you rats. Australia is sitting on its own tectonic plate shielded by the molten lava
fissure zones surrounding that plate, as well as drop offs from our continental shelf to deep ocean to the boundaries of that tectonic plate. (I do
hope readers understand basic Wegnerian plate tectonic theory) Whoever is 'digging' will want to go very deep to somehow get into our tectonic
plate, so deep they are going to be in the molten mantle anyway. Have any of you been in an underground mine? every 100 metres you go down you get a
one degree celcius temperature rise, I find it difficult to believe that you can find a material on earth able to bore through molten mantle as well
as pressures build up, why after all, thats why its is molten, all known elements are molten... but of course, they are employing alien tech.... I
forgot. well let them dig and tunnel away anyway, what are they going to do, emerge into a desert anyway and they are welcome to it, if they can find
anything useful to do with our deserts, they would probably be more welcome than all the current blow-in immigrants who think the some total of
existence is to re-invent the wheel and find a way to rip off 'dumb, lazy, ignorant Australians' (*said very tongue in cheek)
Love ya work though... keep it up, there are always good convict theives always looking for good loot to add to the pile...
Oh and I'm not anti United States per se. My lady is a naturalised Australian, ex USAF... ... ... mind you she is one of the smart ones, saw the
movie Gallipolli and said to herself she wants to find a country with 'men like that', poor woman, ended up with me. (lol) To further add insult to
injury, after requesting posting to Australia (she was communications trained & Pine Gap and the other nice places were available to her) instead the
USAF said her first posting could be to a nice set of antennas located in Turkey in the mountains on the former Soviet border which gave almost line
of sight into where the Sovs were doing their rocket and space program.... tsk tsk, Turkey was Australia's opponent at Gallipoli in World War 1.
Your loss. My gain.
Of course we have our ultimate superweapons anyway. Just rope in some of Indigenous Aboriginals and employ them in a 'point the bone' ceremony and
sent the emu feather footwear Kaditcha men in. Or have them sit in a circle and start up their didjareiedoos and 'modify' the weather and create
cyclones/hurricanes and other what nots with their harmonic disturbances... ... ... en.wikipedia.org...
Now after I've wasted my time with 20 posts to be able to start a thread. Would like to see one get up and running about the 1988 'UFO' incident on
the Nullabor Plain.
By happenstance I was travelling across to Western Australia when 'it' occurred and got 'stuck' inside the Royal Australian Air Force Military
Police cordon. When i mean stuck, i mean I was in the stream of traffic inside the barriers placed at either end as 'investigators' went to work,
only hours after the event. Was able to stop/was stopped, saw the car shoved off the road and have a great look at the tyre tracks of the car. Dragged
or skidded along for about 50-75 metres, dense rubber tyre marks (driver obviously had full brakes on) big gap of 75-100metres then multiple spins of
rubber from car spun repeatedly on same spot, then further straight rubber marks and scorched car.
Now not being able to 'pierce the wound in Christs side' like the doubting Thomas, was still impressed. Wanted to dust off my old maps with the
deliniations of the Anglo-Australian test ranges and see if someone/thing had gone off course, or even got lost and did a flyover to use the Nullabor
Highway to find a navigation point, perhaps some smart alec jet jockey outside the range wanting to play some fun & games, It was the spinning tyre
tracks that had me baffled though. The driver and family reported a light, hovered over their vehicle, lifted them, spun them, then dragged them
along. I could, by a stretch of the imagination visualise perhaps being caught perhaps in some clown of a jet jockey doing a low level pass for a
navigation reference then igniting afterburners and going vertical for a vortex effect (but as said big stretch of the imagination) but that would not
explain the second set of long skid marks.
So it was dust off the old Stan Deyo book for a re-read, discounting his Atlantis and alien 'out there stuff'...
Maybe someone out on the range IS fiddling around with some electromagnetic propulsion system (I hate the term anti-grav). and it got 'lost', I
could, by a stretch of the imagination, see how a hunk of metal such as car, getting caught in some electromagnetic field being responsible fro being
dragged and spun leaving the tyre tracks I saw.
Anyways as said, I more scared of yowies,bunyips and Aboriginal sorcerers than any aliens. They have beeen here for a VERY long time, their is rock
art to the North of me dated at 140,000 years. and not crap carbon dating, but rubidium strontium dating. Think I am going to find more things of
interest there than looking for lost books from the Library of Alexandria or looking for repositries in the Sphinx guided by Caseys psychic
Oh crikey, what am I going to do now? I am too far away from the Snowy Mountains Scheme....? when the aliens emerge to make me a slave ?
Oh well, this will have to do in the short term en.wikipedia.org...
from wiki "The area is situated within the McBride volcanic province and contains 164 volcanoes, vents and cones. The lava tubes are regarded amongst
the largest and longest on the planet. The word Undara is aboriginal in origin and means a long way."
Just up the road...